Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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Also the finance is all over the place the money tree will have to subsidise the crap policies of basic maths!

It doesn't come from the 'money tree' but converting shares into government bonds. The government then borrows money against the assets i.e water companies, railways, energy companies. It is not included in government borrow but a separate entity which is guaranteed by the state. It is the same way our new stadium is financed/funded.

"Financial engineering
Let’s start with what public promotional banks actually are. Basically they’re a clever bit of financial engineering. They are owned by the state and borrow money just like the treasury does, but they are regarded as “off balance sheet” so the borrowing doesn’t show up in normal public borrowing figures. Their debt is counted as a “contingent liability” for the state, however – the explicit or implicit state guarantee means the state could be forced to cough up if the promotional bank goes bust. But this is usually regarded as an exceedingly low risk for the state because a promotional bank’s liabilities are matched by assets – all the outstanding loans for infrastructure projects, etc. – that are usually seen as pretty safe.

Basically, by having an off balance sheet promotional bank to focus on capital expenditure projects, you can have lower public borrowing figures yet still mobilise a lot of cheap finance. This is a good thing. But judging by the experience of other promotional banks, we should also be realistic about what a national investment bank could achieve; we need to be constructively critical.

A national investment bank would still be a bank
Promotional banks are not a magic wand for substituting normal government spending. They are banks that lend money and expect to get repaid – with interest. This means they are limited to financing investment projects where there is a future revenue stream. Multilateral versions like the World Bank (yes, that’s another one) lend to governments against future tax revenues, but a UK national investment bank lending back to the UK government would make little sense. That leaves privatised utilities and other companies as potential clients, and other banks, and some entities like universities and housing associations. But if you wanted the bank to finance building an NHS hospital, for instance, it would probably have to be via a private investor in a PFI-type scheme that had been promised a steady stream of public money for a long time in the future. That certainly makes little sense".

Labour have not said they would build hospitals etc. but take over the existing privatised companies that were once public. The other things will come out of tax increases they propose.

National investment banks: a radical proposal? | openDemocracy
 
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It's just a big wish list that will unravel as soon as they get grilled on the numbers and the effect upon businesses and tax take........


"The elderly will be hit hardest by Labour's Robin Hood tax
Piers Hillier said Jeremy Corbyn was introducing a “tax on savers” in its attempts to raise £4.7billion by changing stamp duty levels on shares.

The chief investment officer of Royal London Asset Management said: “Those that would be hit the hardest are pensioners and those saving for a pension, who will see the value of their savings impacted by the levy.

“This is not a tax on the City, it’s a tax on savers and pensioners. At a time of uncertainty about which markets investors will choose to utilise post Brexit, adding a further levy would significantly reduce the global competitive position of London.

“Transactional volumes will move to markets without a levy. Jobs will follow those volumes and as a consequence the overall tax take is likely to be lower due to reduced income tax and corporation tax paid.”
 
"A Robin Hood Tax is a tiny tax on the financial sector that could generate billions of pounds annually to fight poverty and climate change at home and abroad. Small change for the banks - big change for those hit hardest by the financial crisis.

Also known as a Financial Transactions Tax (FTT), a Robin Hood Tax is a tiny tax of about 0.05% on transactions like stocks, bonds, foreign currency and derivatives, which could raise up to £250 billion a year globally. FTTs are well-tested, cheap to implement and hard to avoid.

In fact, there are already lots of different Robin Hood taxes implemented by many countries, including in the UK. We think there should be a lot more of them, particularly in areas not yet taxed, like transactions of bonds and derivatives.

Importantly, transaction taxes are also good in that they would reduce the number of the most risky trades, the gambling which helped to trigger the 2008 financial crisis".

The scaremongering from the so called experts over a Robin Hood tax is nor surprising. Labour should be bolder and set it at 0.10% on all money transactions in the City which would raise £500 billion.
 
To update William F. Buckley, a conservative is a man who stands athwart history, whining "Why can't someone else pay for it?!?"
 
I've looked at what that Robin Hood tax entails and basically it's playing a game with normal people's pensions and savings, to raise a pretty insignificant amount. It's purely to make a political, and purely ideological point. The tories have been equally useless and unfair towards savers too. People who live within their means and try to save for the future, for their kids, for their retirement should be applauded, not used as a pawn in a political game.
 
It doesn't come from the 'money tree' but converting shares into government bonds. The government then borrows money against the assets i.e water companies, railways, energy companies. It is not included in government borrow but a separate entity which is guaranteed by the state. It is the same way our new stadium is financed/funded.

"Financial engineering
Let’s start with what public promotional banks actually are. Basically they’re a clever bit of financial engineering. They are owned by the state and borrow money just like the treasury does, but they are regarded as “off balance sheet” so the borrowing doesn’t show up in normal public borrowing figures. Their debt is counted as a “contingent liability” for the state, however – the explicit or implicit state guarantee means the state could be forced to cough up if the promotional bank goes bust. But this is usually regarded as an exceedingly low risk for the state because a promotional bank’s liabilities are matched by assets – all the outstanding loans for infrastructure projects, etc. – that are usually seen as pretty safe.

Basically, by having an off balance sheet promotional bank to focus on capital expenditure projects, you can have lower public borrowing figures yet still mobilise a lot of cheap finance. This is a good thing. But judging by the experience of other promotional banks, we should also be realistic about what a national investment bank could achieve; we need to be constructively critical.

A national investment bank would still be a bank
Promotional banks are not a magic wand for substituting normal government spending. They are banks that lend money and expect to get repaid – with interest. This means they are limited to financing investment projects where there is a future revenue stream. Multilateral versions like the World Bank (yes, that’s another one) lend to governments against future tax revenues, but a UK national investment bank lending back to the UK government would make little sense. That leaves privatised utilities and other companies as potential clients, and other banks, and some entities like universities and housing associations. But if you wanted the bank to finance building an NHS hospital, for instance, it would probably have to be via a private investor in a PFI-type scheme that had been promised a steady stream of public money for a long time in the future. That certainly makes little sense".

Labour have not said they would build hospitals etc. but take over the existing privatised companies that were once public. The other things will come out of tax increases they propose.

National investment banks: a radical proposal? | openDemocracy
Total financial Armageddon!
 
I thought my computer had been attacked by a Ransomware infection, turned out to be a copy of the Labour manifesto.......
 
Total financial Armageddon!
You an expert lad ? preferable to the uncaring selfish money grabbing Tories who have inflicted 7 years of unnecessary 'austerity" on the UK....Iceland jailed their bankers..we continue to suck up to them..and yes I do know that was Tory-lite "Labour" who bailed them out...I'm alright jack attitude just stinks - Wake up before its too late :mad:
 
You an expert lad ? preferable to the uncaring selfish money grabbing Tories who have inflicted 7 years of unnecessary 'austerity" on the UK....Iceland jailed their bankers..we continue to suck up to them..and yes I do know that was Tory-lite "Labour" who bailed them out...I'm alright jack attitude just stinks - Wake up before its too late :mad:
Just seen channel 4 news most big firms will leave the UK!
 
Tbf, Lady Nugee MP, being a human rights barrister and married to a High Court Judge, is your typical working class north London Labour MP......

I don't know what that's got to do with anything, just think she has spoken well when I've heard her.
 
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