Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[rascal]

Would Labour have anything to lose by Corbyn doing the right thing (IMO) and stepping down, with a wise head, being put in as a caretaker for the foreseeable future?

 

[Mrk]

Do you unequivocally know this?

Look, I'm not having a go - far from it. I just struggle to understand where the premise of "they did nothing to try and solve this" has come from.

Let's not get silly now, it's quite clearly an opinion, just like your own.

 

[Number_25]

Would Labour have anything to lose by Corbyn doing the right thing (IMO) and stepping down, with a wise head, being put in as a caretaker for the foreseeable future?

If the polls are indicators of our true election results in June, then obviously Corbyn will have to consider his position as leader of the party.

The real question to ask then is where the party goes after that.

We cannot turn things around through being bland. Its been proven throughout Europe and the United State that the "Third way" is utterly useless for the purpose of securing change via the consent of the electorate in contemporary political discourse.

There's a saying in South Wales where people are a bit like Polos, smooth and strong on the outside - but a huge gaping void on the inside. This describes those that see the return to the Labour policies of Blair as being the only method we can win.

There's no attempt to address the real problems, they are not the ones that can enable people within this country to aspire and dream of a brighter - more equitable future.

 

[Number_25]

Let's not get silly now, it's quite clearly an opinion, just like your own.

The difference being that I base my opinions on reality, and not contrived rhetoric pushed by many on the right.

 

[rascal]

If the polls are indicators of our true election results in June, then obviously Corbyn will have to consider his position as leader of the party.

The real question to ask then is where the party goes after that.

We cannot turn things around through being bland. Its been proven throughout Europe and the United State that the "Third way" is utterly useless for the purpose of securing change via the consent of the electorate in contemporary political discourse.

Agreed, although the Netherlands election tempers that somewhat.

There's a saying in South Wales where people are a bit like Polos, smooth and strong on the outside - but a huge gaping void on the inside. This describes those that see the return to the Labour policies of Blair as being the only method we can win.

There's no attempt to address the real problems, they are not the ones that can enable people within this country to aspire and dream of a brighter - more equitable future.

In order to win elections you must appeal to the electorate, it is obvious that Corbynist socialism does not appeal to the country. Also, again I am loathe to go through old battles on here, but the Labour government of Blair did achieve many great social advances.

 

[Number_25]

Agreed, although the Netherlands election tempers that somewhat.



In order to win elections you must appeal to the electorate, it is obvious that Corbynist socialism does not appeal to the country. Also, again I am loathe to go through old battles on here, but the Labour government of Blair did achieve many great social advances.

The difficulty I have is that the policy, on its own with no Labour/Corbyn packaging, is exactly what the vast majority of the electorate want when polled.

It's just there has been a difficulty to cut through with our message, too much [Poor language removed] flung our way.

 

[rascal]

The difficulty I have is that the policy, on its own with no Labour/Corbyn packaging, is exactly what the vast majority of the electorate want when polled.

It's just there has been a difficulty to cut through with our message, too much [Poor language removed] flung our way.

Then put someone in place who has more personality than a cabbage.

 

[Mrk]

The difference being that I base my opinions on reality, and not contrived rhetoric pushed by many on the right.

I think you've just let your mask slip a little there.

Both left and right are experts in spewing contrived rhetoric, so let's not pretend that one is better or more virtuous than the other.

 

[Number_25]

Then put someone in place who has more personality than a cabbage.

Personality?

"I don't agree with the Prime Minister, and I like the policies of the Labour Party - but I can't vote for him because of his personality."

I struggle with this, I really do.

 

[rascal]

Personality?

"I don't agree with the Prime Minister, and I like the policies of the Labour Party - but I can't vote for him because of his personality."

I struggle with this, I really do.

You previously said:

We cannot turn things around through being bland. Its been proven throughout Europe and the United State that the "Third way" is utterly useless for the purpose of securing change via the consent of the electorate in contemporary political discourse.

I'm just agreeing with your comments there. Corbyn is completely uninspiring.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Personality?

"I don't agree with the Prime Minister, and I like the policies of the Labour Party - but I can't vote for him because of his personality."

I struggle with this, I really do.

It's not personality in my experience, although I don't like him myself. It's that people don't trust him. Most I talk to see him as some kind of delusional idealist who would be absolutely out of his depth in power. It's not helped by the fact McDonnell is a horrible little man, and Abbott is farcical in her ineptitude. This isn't a bit of fun at the end of the day, it's about running one of the top 10 biggest countries in the world. Surely there are better people out there in the labour party????

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I have never voted in my life, I was quite proud as I don't trust politicians at all, but what I have learnt is to keep the Tories out at all costs. Go and vote for the Green Party, just don't vote or waste your vote.

 

[rascal]

I have never voted in my life, I was quite proud as I don't trust politicians at all, but what I have learnt is to keep the Tories out at all costs. Go and vote for the Green Party, just don't vote or waste your vote.

I also voted Greens yesterday, just to keep the Tories out of my yard

 

[Mrk]

I have never voted in my life, I was quite proud as I don't trust politicians at all, but what I have learnt is to keep the Tories out at all costs. Go and vote for the Green Party, just don't vote or waste your vote.

So you're going to keep the Tories out by voting for a party that has no chance of keeping the Tories out?

 

[Kendall's Dream]

Would Labour have anything to lose by Corbyn doing the right thing (IMO) and stepping down, with a wise head, being put in as a caretaker for the foreseeable future?

What's the point? We had a centre left leader in Miliband and lost, now Corbyn has taken Labour more left (wouldn't agree with people saying he is far left), so let's see how he goes. If he loses, then this great rebuild of the Labour Party will happen as people are predicting (more stating as fact) and if he wins then, a Labour Party in number 10 for the next five years rather than the Tories.

Going off on one here, but the ways Corbyn could win this election:
1. Gets a huge amount of young voters to actually vote, because they seem to swing to Labour
2. S... hits the fan with the Tory scandal (the £5m one) or the election investigation
Could probably think of more reasons but it's late and I'll probably be clutching at straws, I just think people are completely writing off Corbyn and while I do think the Tories will win, he has got a slim chance and you never know