Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Mrk]

That West Midlands Mayoral vote is a disaster for Labour. Truly terrible.

But... but... Labour won the key marginal contests in Liverpool and Manchester...

 

[Number_25]

In respect of your student debts, its saddled not straddled, you should demand your money back.......

I concede that point.

My degree was in Bioinformatics mind you(!)

 

[roydo]

Maximum pay ratios of 20:1 in the public sector

What does that mean?

 

[peteblue]

Appologies no.25 that was a cheap crack.....

 

[Number_25]

What does that mean?

Effectively, it means that the "lowest earning" person within any given organisation must be paid at least 1/20th of whatever the highest paid person is.

To frame it into a scenario, NHS managers can earn upto £500,000 a year - whereas a NHS Clinical Coder may be on £9,000. Either the wage of the CC would have to go up to £20,000 - or there'd have to be a shaving at the top (more likely).

 

[Number_25]

Appologies no.25 that was a cheap crack.....

It's fine, no need to apologise! I'm not the most eloquent of people anyway, but I hope my response was legible.

 

[The Cowboy]

That West Midlands Mayoral vote is a disaster for Labour. Truly terrible.

The Guardian has been a great read today. Their utter devastation just oozes from their commentary.

 

[roydo]

Effectively, it means that the "lowest earning" person within any given organisation must be paid at least 1/20th of whatever the highest paid person is.

To frame it into a scenario, NHS managers can earn upto £500,000 a year - whereas a NHS Clinical Coder may be on £9,000. Either the wage of the CC would have to go up to £20,000 - or there'd have to be a shaving at the top (more likely).

What about the shed load of part time shift workers in, say, GP surgeries?

Its not an argument without merit mind. The high pay that seems to be the norm at all sorts of Govt Depts/Regulators makes me want to vomit.

 

[Number_25]

Effectively, it means that the "lowest earning" person within any given organisation must be paid at least 1/20th of whatever the highest paid person is.

To frame it into a scenario, NHS managers can earn upto £500,000 a year - whereas a NHS Clinical Coder may be on £9,000. Either the wage of the CC would have to go up to £20,000 - or there'd have to be a shaving at the top (more likely).

What about the shed load of part time shift workers in, say, GP surgeries?

Its not an argument without merit mind. The high pay that seems to be the norm at all sorts of Govt Depts/Regulators makes me want to vomit.

I think this is the point of it, effectively ending the wage disparity within our public sector.

It's the sort of radical reform that the Labour Party stands for right now, and now is the chance to throw everything we have behind it in support.

 

[roydo]

I think this is the point of it, effectively ending the wage disparity within our public sector.

It's the sort of radical reform that the Labour Party stands for right now, and now is the chance to throw everything we have behind it in support.

I think the local elections have shown, to me anyrate, that the last thing most folk want at the moment is some radical reform. They want to see the UK Govt make a half decent fist at sorting the Brexit stuff out above anything.

Just my opinion.

 

[Number_25]

I think the local elections have shown, to me anyrate, that the last thing most folk want at the moment is some radical reform. They want to see the UK Govt make a half decent fist at sorting the Brexit stuff out above anything.

Just my opinion.

A well founded opinion, at that.

It's a real shame how everything has turned out, I'm not going to lie about it.

I've come to terms about Brexit, and I want our transition out of the EU to do as little damage to the people of this country as possible. I despair that, given a huge majority, Theresa May and her Brexit bully-boys will lead this country to the socio-economic brink.

I despair that when things (inevitably) go wrong, who will people blame?

To me, this election goes far beyond Brexit. It's about our morality as a people.

 

[roydo]

A well founded opinion, at that.

It's a real shame how everything has turned out, I'm not going to lie about it.

I've come to terms about Brexit, and I want our transition out of the EU to do as little damage to the people of this country as possible. I despair that, given a huge majority, Theresa May and her Brexit bully-boys will lead this country to the socio-economic brink.

I despair that when things (inevitably) go wrong, who will people blame?

To me, this election goes far beyond Brexit. It's about our morality as a people.

Same here. Most of that anyrate.

But Brexit is here and now. (Unfortunately). I struggle to imagine Corbyn, McDonald and Abbot being any good at sorting it out. I think that, policy free issue, is probably shared with an awful lot of loosely politically engaged people.

And please dont question my morals because I probably wouldnt ever vote for the current Labour party.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Thank you for responding, I really appreciate respectful dialogue with fellow forum members.

I feel that you're misled as to what exactly the Labour Party is standing for in the next general election.

Regarding the concerns you put forward:

Making work pay

• An end to exploitative zero-hour contracts.
• Raise the national minimum wage to £10 per hour.
• Ban unpaid internships.
• Maximum pay ratios of 20:1 in the public sector.
• End the public sector pay freeze.

Employment / Protecting Employment

• Repeal the Trade Union Act.
• Double paid paternity leave.
• Only award public contracts to firms that recognise trade unions.
• Abolishment of employment tribunal fees.
• Enforce trade union representation at work.

That's only one of the issues I raised. What about tax on low earnings. The personal allowance is double what it was under labour. The min wage will soon be double.

Also trade unions have no interest to me tbh. I've never thought about letting someone who I don't like and who is only in it for their own end represent me. Why force me to join, can my professional body not represent me already?

Agree zero hours aren't great. Although suited me to the ground when I was at uni. Exams came and I took 2 weeks off. Outright ban not the answer.

Also public sector pay and pensions need checked. They are grossly unfair and disproportionate to people doing same job in private sector.

 

[orly]

A well founded opinion, at that.

It's a real shame how everything has turned out, I'm not going to lie about it.

I've come to terms about Brexit, and I want our transition out of the EU to do as little damage to the people of this country as possible. I despair that, given a huge majority, Theresa May and her Brexit bully-boys will lead this country to the socio-economic brink.

I despair that when things (inevitably) go wrong, who will people blame?

To me, this election goes far beyond Brexit. It's about our morality as a people.

Including the lamentable number who talk a good game on social media and among friends and then put the cross in the self-preservation box on voting day.

Let's just hope that the idea that the school of thought that May will seek a compromising stance on Brexit negotiations once a massive majority is secured. My personal feeling is that hard Bully boy Brexit is the path to annihilation.

For anyone interested, bet365 has the over / under line for Labour seats at 151.5 (20 seats higher than some other sites). Thoughts?

 

[Number_25]

Same here. Most of that anyrate.

But Brexit is here and now. (Unfortunately). I struggle to imagine Corbyn, McDonald and Abbot being any good at sorting it out. I think that, policy free issue, is probably shared with an awful lot of loosely politically engaged people.

And please dont question my morals because I probably wouldnt ever vote for the current Labour party.

I don't see how Theresa May, who has never stood for anything other than herself her entire life, is more capable of negotiating with our European counterparts than Jeremy Corbyn.

At least with Labour at the helm, we can guarantee that no workers rights or the status of the NHS will not be reduced.

That's only one of the issues I raised. What about tax on low earnings. The personal allowance is double what it was under labour. The min wage will soon be double.

Also trade unions have no interest to me tbh. I've never thought about letting someone who I don't like and who is only in it for their own end represent me. Why force me to join, can my professional body not represent me already?

Agree zero hours aren't great. Although suited me to the ground when I was at uni. Exams came and I took 2 weeks off. Outright ban not the answer.

Also public sector pay and pensions need checked. They are grossly unfair and disproportionate to people doing same job in private sector.

Labour have made it clear under no uncertain terms that any tax increases will be 'suffered' on those earning well over the national average wage (£16,000).

In regards to the Trade Unions, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I've never come across a TU representative of which is only in it for "their own end".

We do need a review on public sector pay, but I think that the priority is minimising the wage disparity throughout the private and public sectors.