Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[orly]

Whoever wins this election they will face a car crash in the next few years and will go down in flames.

So are we hoping for Corbyn to win or not?

 

[orly]

Correct. Those type of people lost two elections for Labour.

Having won three in a row.

You've got this thing about the last two years in general Dave.

 

[davek]

Having won three in a row.

You've got this thing about the last two years in general Dave.

They won them because they agreed to be the Tories for a decade and a bit and while the economy hadn't turned into a midden.

The only reason voters are deserting Labour is because they are irrelevant to the EU debate. Ironically, Corbyn was a massive anti-EU campaigner and if the LP had taken his stance up they would be well in the game here today. But the daft gets on the back benches know whats best...apparently.

 

[orly]

They won them because they agreed to be the Tories for a decade and a bit and while the economy hadn't turned into a midden.

The only reason voters are deserting Labour is because they are irrelevant to the EU debate. Ironically, Corbyn was a massive anti-EU campaigner and if the LP had taken his stance up they would be well in the game here today. But the daft gets on the back benches know whats best...apparently.

Absolutely 100% agree with the last bit.

If he'd stuck with his actual principles - and campaigned on Leave - people would know definitely what he stood for. He'd have outfoxed the Tory backbenches, could have sold the jobs line to his worker base and shown he was Mr Consistent.

Weakly coming out on the side of Remain - and losing - was a disastrous step.

 

[JonS]

Absolutely 100% agree with the last bit.

If he'd stuck with his actual principles - and campaigned on Leave - people would know definitely what he stood for. He'd have outfoxed the Tory backbenches, could have sold the jobs line to his worker base and shown he was Mr Consistent.

Weakly coming out on the side of Remain - and losing - was a disastrous step.

Agree except that most of his MPs are remain so we would have had the same party disunity as now. Not that the Tories are better on this. They just know how to cover up their disunity to win elections. Not like the idiot traitors among the Labour mps. I would deselect the lot of them if I thought they'd be replaced by young modern lefties and not the angry old school

 

[Milkman]

There's a big vote going on that's just shown that UKIP voters are deserting them and going to / returning to the Tories.

They are making a big mistake if they think it's keep Britain right job done imho as I think May will , if she gets a big majority, will homogenize it all into one big mess.

Politics - and it's a terrible irony here - is all about momentum. Do you think last night was anything other than a disaster for Labour?

Sorry, I'm not sure how that answered the question? I was asking whether the Tories have shifted further to the right or the UKIP voters have moved to the middle?

While I'm here though; no, it's not a disaster. Labour is far beyond disasters. It's had too many of them over the past 10 years. To call it that makes it sound unexpected. The problems started a long time ago – this is the aftershock of years of disillusionment, and like you said, momentum is everything in politics.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Centre left to centre right. Why should I vote for either of those if I don't want the status quo?

Vote for who you want. That's beauty of democracy.

Labour need to put the views of electorate before their ideology if they want elected again.

Once elected they can implement what they want. Pragmatism is needed in opposition.

 

[orly]

Agree except that most of his MPs are remain so we would have had the same party disunity as now. Not that the Tories are better on this. They just know how to cover up their disunity to win elections. Not like the idiot traitors among the Labour mps. I would deselect the lot of them if I thought they'd be replaced by young modern lefties and not the angry old school

Genuinely John I think the public could have stomached party disunity to side with a man of principle - thats why he was elected leader twice by labour members "the public"

By not being clear on where he stands, it has created a situation where he can be painted (wrongly) as a Communist/ terrorist sympathiser / soft on anti-Semitic behaviour. Again, he is not helped at all by his inner circle.

 

[chicoazul]

So, let's get this right.. the reason people aren't voting for them is the reason to get out and vote for them..?

Mate you think that aliens exist and that NASA are secretly communicating with them. So you hating on Labour is actually an endorsement for Labour as a reasonable entity.

 

[Tubey]

Corbyn isn't hard left.

You dont know what hard left is if you think Corbyn is that. He's old Labour. That's all. Mixed economy, state intervention where possible.

He's hard left in the modern political set-up; he'd be just left of centre-left in the 80s - but it's not the 80s.

 

[chicoazul]

I'd say 'You'd hope this would wake people up to just how unelectable Corbyn and Labour currently are', but who cares at this point, it's far too late.

People need to give their heads a wobble when it comes to the future of Labour. Corbyn fans, you are in a very small bubble, deluding yourselves into thinking you have a 'massive' movement behind you. You don't, you really, really don't.

You're just as damaging to the Labour Party and the country as the tories mate. It's time for Labour to be showing solidarity in the face of a General Election instead of having scousers do the work of tories trying to pick them apart.

 

[Tubey]

You're just as damaging to the Labour Party and the country as the tories mate. It's time for Labour to be showing solidarity in the face of a General Election instead of having scousers do the work of tories trying to pick them apart.

Yes, just like Corbyn showed solidarity with Labour when he voted against anything and everything on the back benches mate. Just like that

 

[Milkman]

Vote for who you want. That's beauty of democracy.

Labour need to put the views of electorate before their ideology if they want elected again.

Once elected they can implement what they want. Pragmatism is needed in opposition.

Tim, no offence like, but what the hell are you talking about? How on earth would that work? In the current climate, Labour would have to campaign on a platform of hard Brexit, anti-immigration, pro-privatisation and tax breaks for the wealthy.

Sounds good! Where do I put my X?

Hang on a sec... this opposition isn't actually opposing anything...

 

[chicoazul]

Yes, just like Corbyn showed solidarity with Labour when he voted against anything and everything on the back benches mate. Just like that

You've got a genuinely socialist as leader mate and you're selling him out to the tories. Absolute shame on you.

 

[JonS]

Vote for who you want. That's beauty of democracy.

Labour need to put the views of electorate before their ideology if they want elected again.

Once elected they can implement what they want. Pragmatism is needed in opposition.

Call me old fashioned but I believe in doing what you say and not just getting elected and then doing the opposite