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[peteblue]

Bruce, it’s just about its application….

 

[peteblue]

As I said (to anyone who would listen) right from the time they announced the referendum, the only way Brexit can be delivered is with the break up of the United Kingdom. Nothing has happened since that makes me change my mind.

Why does it require the break up of the U.K. ?…

 

[Alan Whittle]

Its about the interpretation and application of the protocol. When an agreement falls at the first major hurdle it is sensible to renegotiate and amend. The EU enacted article 16 to suspend the protocol at the drop of a hat, with no negotiation with either the ROI or the U.K. over vaccinations. At least the U.K. is raising the issues and putting forward potential solutions. The EU just says NO. Who is being reasonable and who is being dogmatic, you decide…..

I’ve decided Pete. An agreement a few months old needs time to work through. Instead of just tearing it up, try to find a way of making it work. Governments cannot make agreements and tear them up a couple of months later. “The EU just says NO”, well why shouldn’t they? The ink is barely dry. Suspension is not the same as tearing up, in fact, by it’s very act it acknowledges the mutual obligations of the agreement itself.
Your obsession with the EU blinds you from the fact that this deal was mutually negotiated, ratified and then championed as a wonderful solution by our PM.
Of course it is about how the agreement is interpreted and applied. Boris has form in interpreting agreements (The Ministerial Code for example) to suit himself. Here, he has met with another party who wish to stick to what was agreed, which would seem to be honourable, decent and honest.
Cue the usual “spiteful and vindictive “ nonsense washed over with Libyan bases and Superpowers, nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Why does it require the break up of the U.K. ?…

Because you have the border between GB and NI now. If we can't send what we like between something that is part of the union then it's not really ours. The unionists will start to feel abandoned and the Irish will start to have more influence.

With Brexit there always had to be a border either on the Isle of Ireland or down the Irish Sea it wasn't hard to envisage these problems. I suppose there was a 3rd way, the UK accepts all the EU food standards but carrying on down that path would have led to a brexit in name only.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Probably applying the Covid logic here "nobody could've predicted this" and hope it sticks

That's pretty much exactly what Kwarteng was saying.

 

[peteblue]

Because you have the border between GB and NI now. If we can't send what we like between something that is part of the union then it's not really ours. The unionists will start to feel abandoned and the Irish will start to have more influence.

With Brexit there always had to be a border either on the Isle of Ireland or down the Irish Sea it wasn't hard to envisage these problems. I suppose there was a 3rd way, the UK accepts all the EU food standards but carrying on down that path would have led to a brexit in name only.

And this is the exact trap that May fell into, accepting the integrity of the EU but not the U.K. at the same time. We could just as easily have aside that the EU can put a border between itself and ROI and that would have done the job.
both the U.K. and the EU can police their own areas, without a NI/ROI border for any infringements of ‘illegal’ goods. Instead we have this lob sided agreement that the EU are doing their best to cause U.K. difficulties. If you look above this is not what the Protocol was for….

 

[spectateur]

Thank you, so you are happy with the protocol because it gives you what you wanted. However, have you ever thought about those in NI who don’t want a United Ireland ? Is this fairly obvious Republican Protocol and EU trap all that matters. If NI wants to join or even take over the ROI or become totally independent I don’t really care, I just want what the people in NI want. You it appears are following a backdoor nationalist agenda dressed up in a protocol.….

NI should become a semi autonomous region within the Irish Republic.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, it’s just about its application….

So which bit of the deal you previously stated was great are you now finding out is rubbish, and why did you not think it would be rubbish when you previously said it was great?

 

[peteblue]

I’ve decided Pete. An agreement a few months old needs time to work through. Instead of just tearing it up, try to find a way of making it work. Governments cannot make agreements and tear them up a couple of months later. “The EU just says NO”, well why shouldn’t they? The ink is barely dry. Suspension is not the same as tearing up, in fact, by it’s very act it acknowledges the mutual obligations of the agreement itself.
Your obsession with the EU blinds you from the fact that this deal was mutually negotiated, ratified and then championed as a wonderful solution by our PM.
Of course it is about how the agreement is interpreted and applied. Boris has form in interpreting agreements (The Ministerial Code for example) to suit himself. Here, he has met with another party who wish to stick to what was agreed, which would seem to be honourable, decent and honest.
Cue the usual “spiteful and vindictive “ nonsense washed over with Libyan bases and Superpowers, nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand.

The matter in hand is very simple. The protocol as envisioned doesn’t work. It needs to be fixed or one of its provisions, article 16, should be enacted. It’s in the agreement and it’s lawful for the U.K. to use it, just like VDL wanted to do. So either fix it or apply the article…..

 

[peteblue]

So which bit of the deal you previously stated was great are you now finding out is rubbish, and why did you not think it would be rubbish when you previously said it was great?

I believed it to be a good deal for NI to get the best of both worlds of being in the U.K. and also the EU. Unfortunately it’s not working because of its application by one party….

 

[peteblue]

NI should become a semi autonomous region within the Irish Republic.

The ROI should become a semi autonomous region within NI……

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

The ROI should become a semi autonomous region within NI……

Pathetic. How can anyone take you seriously when you come out with bilge like this?

 

[Alan Whittle]

@peteblue,Your interpretation (and that of HM Govt) is that it doesn’t work. The fact remains that it is working as drafted an ratified just a few short months ago.
None of this is the fault of the EU. Boris, Frost et al have bungled this county’s interests in this matter. No amount of raging about the EU, who are merely enacting what was agreed, will change this.
I doubt very much, as far as the UK is concerned, that this deal was ever oven ready, no matter how much of a turkey it has turned out to be.

 

[Alan Whittle]

I believed it to be a good deal for NI to get the best of both worlds of being in the U.K. and also the EU. Unfortunately it’s not working because of its application by one party….

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I believed it to be a good deal for NI to get the best of both worlds of being in the U.K. and also the EU. Unfortunately it’s not working because of its application by one party….

Ah, so when you said that after Brexit you would blame no one but the UK government for UK affairs (being as we'd "taken back control" and all that), what you actually meant was that you'll continue blaming the EU for everything and giving the Tories a free pass.