Statement from club and manager.

[daz4matty]

i work for one of the biggest insurers in the world, yesterday we had three cross conutry tele-conferences, just because our service levels were slightly under target, you would think a huge company like Everton FC would have this sort of thing on their mind too, maybe they do...or maybe there all sitting there with the thumbs up the ar**s wondering what the hell to do, ....and i thought my company was disorganized haha

We have a chance of getting sly stallone as a guest against sunderland so the board are working hard

 

[milks]

The only way to get a statement about any thing from the board is to boycott a game hit them where it hurts,but calls for protests last week were laughed and joked at on this very forum, seems to me if you are not one of the main know alls or Mr fn smart arse in this forum you sit and wait alone time before they say anything constructive for or against your post.Not sure why i bother saying this but i just feel some times some body has to say how they feel,and just now it,s hard to feel any thing for this forum and indeed this club. PLAY BILY

I'm not a smart arse, neither am I a 'main know all', neither on this forum; nor elsewhere.

I have however spoken out against protesting. This is simply my opinion and I've tried to apply logic and common sense to my point, however those that want to protest will protest.

Bottom line is, and I'll repeat this time and time again. It is not our club. We may support Everton, but we have no right for it to be run in the way we desire. It is a business, we; as the fans, are the clients. Businesses are entirely dependent on their clients for income, but do not disclose any more information than they see fit. Club information is the exclusive ownership of the shareholders I'm afraid - no matter what right you feel you have to know what is happening.

I'm not condoning this in any way, I'm as frustrated as the next man at the lack of investment and funds. But I have a pragmatic approach to things and can appreciate what and why things are like they are.

The only sensible 'movement' I've seen thus far is TrustEverton.com, a Supporters Trust proposal which has gained some momentum on ToffeeWeb. They don't seem to be overly reactionary (which is a massive surprise for the misanthropes on TW), they do however need a clear mission statement and determined plan of action or else it will peter out rapidly.

 

[Matt Damon]

i work for one of the biggest insurers in the world, yesterday we had three cross conutry tele-conferences, just because our service levels were slightly under target, you would think a huge company like Everton FC would have this sort of thing on their mind too, maybe they do...or maybe there all sitting there with the thumbs up the ar**s wondering what the hell to do, ....and i thought my company was disorganized haha

They probably had that conference due to concerns of the poor standard of literacy of their staff.

 

[davek]

I'm not a smart arse, neither am I a 'main know all', neither on this forum; nor elsewhere.

I have however spoken out against protesting. This is simply my opinion and I've tried to apply logic and common sense to my point, however those that want to protest will protest.

Bottom line is, and I'll repeat this time and time again. It is not our club. We may support Everton, but we have no right for it to be run in the way we desire. It is a business, we; as the fans, are the clients. Businesses are entirely dependent on their clients for income, but do not disclose any more information than they see fit. Club information is the exclusive ownership of the shareholders I'm afraid - no matter what right you feel you have to know what is happening.

I'm not condoning this in any way, I'm as frustrated as the next man at the lack of investment and funds. But I have a pragmatic approach to things and can appreciate what and why things are like they are.

The only sensible 'movement' I've seen thus far is TrustEverton.com, a Supporters Trust proposal which has gained some momentum on ToffeeWeb. They don't seem to be overly reactionary (which is a massive surprise for the misanthropes on TW), they do however need a clear mission statement and determined plan of action or else it will peter out rapidly.

Probably the wrongest post ever on here.

 

[milks]

Probably the wrongest post ever on here.

Why so? You may disagree with the sentiment but there's nothing incorrect there. I'm not saying for one moment it's right, or it's what I want as an Everton fan. It is just what happens Dave.

For it to be our club, we need to have a financial interest in the business, a shareholding. Barca is a club of the fans, Everton is a business with a vast and increasing number of frustrated supporters all worried about the way it is being managed.

 

[Sheedy's Third]

There must be about 10 threads saying the same thing.

 

[davek]

Why so? You may disagree with the sentiment but there's nothing incorrect there. I'm not saying for one moment it's right, or it's what I want as an Everton fan. It is just what happens Dave.

For it to be our club, we need to have a financial interest in the business, a shareholding. Barca is a club of the fans, Everton is a business with a vast and increasing number of frustrated supporters all worried about the way it is being managed.

How long have you been a football supporter? You'll know that football is a business like no other business if you've watched it for any length of time. It doesn't follow the same business logic as other companies. They have a finite 'customer' base they cant afford to lose to be replaced by other 'customers'. And football supporters never relinquish their communal claim over a club...that's what they started out as (communal totems) and that's what they remain. Owners acknowledge as much by describing themselves as 'custodians'. Unpopular owners are regularly unseated when their stay becomes impossible. It happened to this club with Peter Johnson.

As for the Everton trust idea: I'm not in favour of it. It's a nice cosy middle class talking shop that aims to elevate one of their own to sit in the boardroom where, I suspect, they get the corporate embrace and fit in with club policy. There isn't a Premier League club that's had a trust for the past decade which has influence on their majority owners. In short, it's a bureaucratic sideshow easily incorporated by a club board of directors, no threat to them at all.

 

[Edmo]

They probably had that conference due to concerns of the poor standard of literacy of their staff.

any need?

sorry that im trying to post early in the morning as quick as possible

i imagine that you are perfect in everything you do

di***ead

 

[little curly alan ball]

Give a mouse some cheese, he'll come back for a biscuit.

My Brother ; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Beams ; ...........

 

[little curly alan ball]

any need?

sorry that im trying to post early in the morning as quick as possible

i imagine that you are perfect in everything you do

di***ead

Ahem , with respect , IT'S ME who's the Perfect Lid , lid ....

 

[little curly alan ball]

There must be about 10 threads saying the same thing.

Swerved THEM ALL .

Just drop a little .. " Ya' Boi , D ..." , thing an' leave ...

Its THE WAY FORWARD , btw ........

 

[broudie]

i work for one of the biggest insurers in the world, yesterday we had three cross conutry tele-conferences, just because our service levels were slightly under target, you would think a huge company like Everton FC would have this sort of thing on their mind too, maybe they do...or maybe there all sitting there with the thumbs up the ar**s wondering what the hell to do, ....and i thought my company was disorganized haha

Except EFC are really really NOT a huge company. I work for one of the biggest companies on the planet and Everton by comparison are tin-pot. They are run by amateurs, they do not have a global view, they do not market their brand, they lack ambition, they lack drive. We might have some very successful businessmen holding major portions of our shares - but they do not use their talents in the club.

David Moyes and the players might begin each season with a loose ambition of finishing 1st in the PL - but I'm sure they don't, deep down, believe it's going to happen - however, the board DO NOT even entertain the idea this is going to happen. If the board of my company stopped believing we could do better year on year, make money year on year (that's what they expect from the staff they employ), then they wouldn't last more than 5 minutes.

Difference is, EFC's board members are not in it for the company, they are in it for themselves.

 

[broudie]

How long have you been a football supporter? You'll know that football is a business like no other business if you've watched it for any length of time. It doesn't follow the same business logic as other companies. They have a finite 'customer' base they cant afford to lose to be replaced by other 'customers'. And football supporters never relinquish their communal claim over a club...that's what they started out as (communal totems) and that's what they remain. Owners acknowledge as much by describing themselves as 'custodians'. Unpopular owners are regularly unseated when their stay becomes impossible. It happened to this club with Peter Johnson.

With respect, that's exactly what the biggest clubs in the world, do. That's why we see Madrid, Utd, Barca, Chelski, Arse, even Sh1te shirts all over the world. Everton are not displaying sufficient ambition or vision to supplement their fanbase with more global support. Of course, it's difficult to implement such a vision without on-field success, but not impossible (Newcastle). I suspect even if we did get the success we'd spectacularly fairly to take advantage under the current amateurs we've got in charge.

 

[milks]

How long have you been a football supporter? You'll know that football is a business like no other business if you've watched it for any length of time. It doesn't follow the same business logic as other companies. They have a finite 'customer' base they cant afford to lose to be replaced by other 'customers'. And football supporters never relinquish their communal claim over a club...that's what they started out as (communal totems) and that's what they remain. Owners acknowledge as much by describing themselves as 'custodians'. Unpopular owners are regularly unseated when their stay becomes impossible. It happened to this club with Peter Johnson.

As for the Everton trust idea: I'm not in favour of it. It's a nice cosy middle class talking shop that aims to elevate one of their own to sit in the boardroom where, I suspect, they get the corporate embrace and fit in with club policy. There isn't a Premier League club that's had a trust for the past decade which has influence on their majority owners. In short, it's a bureaucratic sideshow easily incorporated by a club board of directors, no threat to them at all.

A long time, and yes I understand the historic differences between football clubs and other businesses. They were community centered faculties and totems, however this was in a different time. Murdoch and his BSB money changed all of that 20 years ago. Whilst there has to be a link between fans and club, it is just that these days. The clubs have moved further and further away from the fans.

It is apparent that the men who Kenwright persuaded to fund his takeover of the club do not appreciate this historic empathy between supporter and club. They are not football people, merely investors and are evidently not prepared to back him financially from their own wealth without the guarantee of increased returns down the line. I believe Robert Earl has intimated this very point previously citing DK as the guarantee he needed. Whilst Kenwright has this at his disposal, though he's worn it very thin now, his backers are purely returns driven.

So, bottom line is that EFC is being run as a generic business. No willingness to stretch the club's finances by offsetting funds against assurances of future revenue as that revenue is being pumped back in to cover club debt - be that bank debt or debt to the board members. The only way the current board will therefore leave is if someone, or some entity pay them what they determine is due to them. No manner of fan unhappiness, protest or letters to the Echo is going to force that issue.

Whilst the Trust principle is flawed, if backed by the majority of the fanbase, it strikes me as the one avenue which the Board may actually interact with. A presence, even a single share entitles the trust to full visibility of the books and an appreciation as to exactly what is happening in the boardroom. This knowledge gap and current lack of communication is what is driving the frustrations of you, me and everyone who speaks up against the ownership of Everton.

 

[Edmo]

Ahem , with respect , IT'S ME who's the Perfect Lid , lid ....

HAHA i can tell that mate,

just annoying that comment he made,

ive watched this forum for yonks and i thought i had a good view of who were the good guys on here, and one of them takes the piss over something so small as mixing up a few letters in words

anyway.......