Statement from club and manager.

[daz4matty]

HAHA i can tell that mate,

just annoying that comment he made,

ive watched this forum for yonks and i thought i had a good view of who were the good guys on here, and one of them takes the piss over something so small as mixing up a few letters in words

anyway.......

Its good to have new members on board it makes a better forum and you make a good point,i think he was just having a laugh with you to be fair.

 

[davek]

A long time, and yes I understand the historic differences between football clubs and other businesses. They were community centered faculties and totems, however this was in a different time. Murdoch and his BSB money changed all of that 20 years ago. Whilst there has to be a link between fans and club, it is just that these days. The clubs have moved further and further away from the fans.

You must be kidding. Take a look at the way Liverpool FC operate, they practically have to run every major decision past their fans to get the ok from them.

It is apparent that the men who Kenwright persuaded to fund his takeover of the club do not appreciate this historic empathy between supporter and club. They are not football people, merely investors and are evidently not prepared to back him financially from their own wealth without the guarantee of increased returns down the line. I believe Robert Earl has intimated this very point previously citing DK as the guarantee he needed. Whilst Kenwright has this at his disposal, though he's worn it very thin now, his backers are purely returns driven.

So, bottom line is that EFC is being run as a generic business. No willingness to stretch the club's finances by offsetting funds against assurances of future revenue as that revenue is being pumped back in to cover club debt - be that bank debt or debt to the board members. The only way the current board will therefore leave is if someone, or some entity pay them what they determine is due to them. No manner of fan unhappiness, protest or letters to the Echo is going to force that issue.

And that's where the fault line lies. We have a club that's sold to fans as a family/community club but the people pulling the strings are not really concerned, as you say, with that aspect of football. That tension will be pulled toward breaking point because most fans are brought up on the idea that club's are more than a business and if businessmen dont do all they can to protect the family they are down the road forthwith.

Whilst the Trust principle is flawed, if backed by the majority of the fanbase, it strikes me as the one avenue which the Board may actually interact with. A presence, even a single share entitles the trust to full visibility of the books and an appreciation as to exactly what is happening in the boardroom. This knowledge gap and current lack of communication is what is driving the frustrations of you, me and everyone who speaks up against the ownership of Everton.

Hold on, that's way too simplistic: a Trust gets you the rights to look at the company books? Yes, and...? All club shareholders - including those hostile to the club owners - get that right now. There's nothing fruitful to be had there. And a place on the board given to a trust member can be circumnavigated by majority owners easily enough. Not everything need be discussed in a meeting...and presumabaly some form of discipline is demanded of all board members to keep the dealings of a private company in-house.

The trust idea sounds good: fans having a say etc. I just wonder how representative they are and how effective they can be. Club owners usually like them...that in and of itself has alarm bells ringing.

 

[davek]

With respect, that's exactly what the biggest clubs in the world, do. That's why we see Madrid, Utd, Barca, Chelski, Arse, even Sh1te shirts all over the world. Everton are not displaying sufficient ambition or vision to supplement their fanbase with more global support. Of course, it's difficult to implement such a vision without on-field success, but not impossible (Newcastle). I suspect even if we did get the success we'd spectacularly fairly to take advantage under the current amateurs we've got in charge.

Again, with respect, they are very much the exceptions to the rule. Most football clubs rely on core support (not necessarily linked to geography). And the ability of the corporate clubs with global reach to really tie in the flaneur to a football club is questionable in commercial terms. Even if you could flog stuff to them local traders can and do cut right into official club merchandise supply for demand.

 

[Edmo]

Its good to have new members on board it makes a better forum and you make a good point,i think he was just having a laugh with you to be fair.

thats fair enough haha

IZ WILL JUS AV TA START SPKKIN LIK DIS IN FUTURE COZ AM DED SCALLY KIDDDZZZZZ

that will be literacy genius for him haha

 

[FinchFarmBlue]

You must be kidding. Take a look at the way Liverpool FC operate, they practically have to run every major decision past their fans to get the ok from them.



And that's where the fault line lies. We have a club that's sold to fans as a family/community club but the people pulling the strings are not really concerned, as you say, with that aspect of football. That tension will be pulled toward breaking point because most fans are brought up on the idea that club's are more than a business and if businessmen dont do all they can to protect the family they are down the road forthwith.



Hold on, that's way too simplistic: a Trust gets you the rights to look at the company books? Yes, and...? All club shareholders - including those hostile to the club owners - get that right now. And there's nothing fruitful to be had there. A place on the board given to a trust member can be circumnavigated by majority owners easily enough. Not everything need be discussed in a meeting...and presumabaly some form of discipline is demanded of all board members to keep the dealings of a private company in-house.

The trust idea sounds good: fans having a say etc. I just wonder how representative they are and how effective they can be. Club owners usually like them...that in and of itself has alarm bells ringing.

I see exactly what you are saying there Dave- a voice without a voice if you like but still not 1 of the boys. Having given the idea plenty of thought over the past week, if BK can lie through his teeth to a room full of shareholders at EGM's & AGM's & dismiss valid questions at will- it will take a very special person(s) to even get past all the fluffy stuff BK so thrives on. I cannot possibly see how even an organised group will get past the insisted upon pre-arranged agenda/no unprepared question mantra.

ps Milks you make some good points in the rest of your post

 

[daz4matty]

thats fair enough haha

IZ WILL JUS AV TA START SPKKIN LIK DIS IN FUTURE COZ AM DED SCALLY KIDDDZZZZZ

that will be literacy genius for him haha

He is a top man lcab imagine him drunk

 

[Edmo]

He is a top man lcab imagine him drunk

WHOAAA wait i wasnt aiming this at LCAB,

this was for the benefit of Matt Damon haha

 

[Muggins]

Back on topic please guys.


I'm hiring a private eye to follow Kenwright. Apparantly it's legal.

Maybe then we'll know what he is truly upto as the club seems to be under a veil of secrecy at the moment...and even the journos are picking up on the bad times. Maybe we need more of this to get a media snowball on the move...???

 

[daz4matty]

Back on topic please guys.


I'm hiring a private eye to follow Kenwright. Apparantly it's legal.

Maybe then we'll know what he is truly upto as the club seems to be under a veil of secrecy at the moment...and even the journos are picking up on the bad times. Maybe we need more of this to get a media snowball on the move...???

Make sure your private eye follows him 24/7

 

[Rugby Toffee]

HE'S BEHIND YOU..in true panto fashion

 

[Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co]

Back on topic please guys.


I'm hiring a private eye to follow Kenwright. Apparantly it's legal.

Maybe then we'll know what he is truly upto as the club seems to be under a veil of secrecy at the moment...and even the journos are picking up on the bad times. Maybe we need more of this to get a media snowball on the move...???

Maybe if we get to the Fa Cup Semi Final , Bill might show his face , but to be serious , you don't see other chairman coming out giving interviews etc..

Again you all seem to be missing the point , YES it's frustrating at the lack of funds and Transfers coming in , but we do not have a depleted squad and we have GOOD players , It's Moyes who is failing us on the pitch and the Board are failing us with lack of funds , The thing I am concerned with at the moment is the failings on the pitch..and Moyes is the problem at this current time..

If we were doing well on the pitch and we were 6th , I doubt we would be moaning about the lack of funds , It's a see saw..We should be sixth , but I have been looking back on matches that we have drawn and we should of won those matches , some of the subs that Moyes has made in these matches have been mystifying and have hindered us to build on leads..

 

[Muggins]

HE'S BEHIND YOU..in true panto fashion

I feel like he is behind all of us, the way we are getting bummed by the club.

Something must be going down, for it to be so quiet...

 

[daz4matty]

Maybe if we get to the Fa Cup Semi Final , Bill might show his face , but to be serious , you don't see other chairman coming out giving interviews etc..

Again you all seem to be missing the point , YES it's frustrating at the lack of funds and Transfers coming in , but we do not have a depleted squad and we have GOOD players , It's Moyes who is failing us on the pitch and the Board are failing us with lack of funds , The thing I am concerned with at the moment is the failings on the pitch..and Moyes is the problem at this current time..

If we were doing well on the pitch and we were 6th , I doubt we would be moaning about the lack of funds , It's a see saw..We should be sixth , but I have been looking back on matches that we have drawn and we should of won those matches , some of the subs that Moyes has made in these matches have been mystifying and have hindered us to build on leads..

We are where we are mate there are games we should have won and lost it all balances out in the end.We still have 14 games to sort it lets hope we do

 

[broudie]

Back on topic please guys.


I'm hiring a private eye to follow Kenwright. Apparantly it's legal.

Maybe then we'll know what he is truly upto as the club seems to be under a veil of secrecy at the moment...and even the journos are picking up on the bad times. Maybe we need more of this to get a media snowball on the move...???

Kenwright will find him out, and lose him by telling him to watch the same space we're all still transfixed on. Meanwhile he scurries off back to London to beg Sir Philip not to spank him too hard for losing all his pocket money.

 

[Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co]

We are where we are mate there are games we should have won and lost it all balances out in the end.We still have 14 games to sort it lets hope we do

I worry mate , I have lost confidence in Moyes , His subs on tuesday night lost us the game , he just sat back ,trying to hold onto the 1-0 lead instead of trying to build on it , then when we go 2-1 down he brings on anichibe and Jagielka ffs..Should of been probably Victor and Beckford..I have no confidence in us beating Blackpool at home and I shouldn't be feeling like this..