Was Dunc right for hooking Kean?

[Tipp blue]

They could have brought me on and I could have ran 5 km in 18 minutes and sprinted 10 times, does that mean it's meaningful moment?

 

[msb]

Not when you are 19. I doubt money even counts much to him at this stage.

It was straight out of the Jim McLean management handbook. But Jim would have been honest about it

Completely disagree. These lads are trained from a very young age (8 or lower) what is expected of them and the pitfalls of failing to deliver, its a dog eat dog world. He can weep over his millions and go away, if he is unable to take the hit, when under-performing.

Tell me money does not matter as he drives off in his £150K car to his mansion.

 

[Sverre Takleifbotten]

There's 'ruthless' and then there's unnecessary.

I'll keep pointing it out but this thing that Kean had a stinker is nonsense, he didn't.

If the change hadn't have been made, we'd have been talking about Kean as probably struggling to get into the game (as you'd expect when it's half a team away at OT holding out for a point), maybe a few sloppy touches and one or two promising runs.

There is a difference between what we as supporters think is good and what the manager looks for. Kean may have performed well individually, but if he didn't follow the instructions it doesn't matter.

 

[BlueToff]

Stats like that are very misleading and easily manipulated in this type of situation though. We were playing a relatively low block defensively for most of the game, and not asking the full backs to bomb up the pitch. That means 5 players aren't really being expected to sprint, there's no call for them to. You don't really want your centre half sprinting up the pitch like someone's controlling him on FIFA. Holgate can be added to that because of the role he was playing. So you can use '4th highest sprints in the entire team' to make it sound like he outworked people, when the reality is unlike most others he was just playing a role which required him (perhaps only required him) to sprint.

Btw, that's my tweet

These stats really aren't misleading.

Holgate, for example, covered the most ground in our team and you'd expect that. Rich/DCL just behind him.

Our FBs hardly bombed up yesterday and their stats are lower, bar Coleman's sprints (most of which I guess came from sprinting back)

Bernard only covered 8k in his 60+ mins. He usually gets up into the 10/11k mark so maybe he was on par, but he only sprinted 6 times too. Because of how we played - very narrow etc.

He had the fourth highest number of sprints in the team. That's just a fact.

He also averages out about on par when it comes to the distance covered, when compared to Rich (11km) who gets rightly praised for his work.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Like and RT if you want this utter waster to be sold in January.

 

[Toast]

They could have brought me on and I could have ran 5 km in 18 minutes and sprinted 10 times, does that mean it's meaningful moment?

They could have brought me on, and I've have got a stitch after 2 mins, pulled a groin and tripped over me own boot laces.

 

[efcste97]

Truth is apart from getting tired he didn't do much wrong. That's a issue Dunc should've dealt with behind the scenes instead of making a example out of him by pulling him off with 5 mins to go for Niasse and probably putting a end to his career at Everton. Heard some saying his performance was 'disgraceful'. give over if he finished the game people wouldn't be banging on about how bad he was, they would probably be saying he deserves more game time and should play on Wednesday. I'll tell you who was bad for the majority of that game, Iwobi.

 

[Gilbert..]

Mate, in Kean's first news conference he was asked how many goals he'd like to score. He said seven (the same as last year). That's not exactly him going "I'm going to score 25 and win the Ballon d'Or", is it?

What other examples is there of his agent, Kean or even the club building him up? From all accounts he's a pretty quiet lad but gets along with everyone. Clearly there has been the issue with the meeting and that was addressed.

Of course he's got to show a lot more, as have most of the team. But I'm sorry, I don't think turfing the lad off after 18 minutes (in which he really didn't do anything at all wrong) in front of 70,000 people plus millions watching on TV is a sensible approach. Especially when the change achieved nothing?

How do you know it never achieved nothing? If he wasnt doing what was asked of him how do you know he wouldnt have done a tom davies v leicester and gave them the ball and 5 seconds later its in our net. Answer is you dont.
We took something from the game. Thats the be all and end all.

 

[BlueToff]

I disagree, his effort wasn't there at all. He offered very little, and at a time when we needed fresh legs and an outlet he wasn't it. I was surprised at the sub, but I've got no problem with it.

Not saying Niasse did great when he came on, but he certainly put himself about a lot more than kean did.

I don;t get the Kean love in. It'd be great for the lad to become a superstar at the club, I want that as much as the next person, but he's shown nothing to suggest he's got the hunger or desire to put in the required work to be successful.

'Put himself about'

Niasse spent his four minutes standing central.

One time he went to our right, and conceded a foul. Another time he went to our left, and conceded a foul.

For the sake of all of this, in four minutes, could Kean not have just been told - "here lad, stay in the middle, run to the left once, run to the right once'?

 

[Little Ralphy]

Btw, that's my tweet

These stats really aren't misleading.

Holgate, for example, covered the most ground in our team and you'd expect that. Rich/DCL just behind him.

Our FBs hardly bombed up yesterday and their stats are lower, bar Coleman's sprints (most of which I guess came from sprinting back)

Bernard only covered 8k in his 60+ mins. He usually gets up into the 10/11k mark so maybe he was on par, but he only sprinted 6 times too. Because of how we played - very narrow etc.

He had the fourth highest number of sprints in the team. That's just a fact.

He also averages out about on par when it comes to the distance covered, when compared to Rich (11km) who gets rightly praised for his work.

They are misleading, and you appear to be trying to pick out stats to try to support your stance on Kean.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Btw, that's my tweet

These stats really aren't misleading.

Holgate, for example, covered the most ground in our team and you'd expect that. Rich/DCL just behind him.

Our FBs hardly bombed up yesterday and their stats are lower, bar Coleman's sprints (most of which I guess came from sprinting back)

Bernard only covered 8k in his 60+ mins. He usually gets up into the 10/11k mark so maybe he was on par, but he only sprinted 6 times too. Because of how we played - very narrow etc.

He had the fourth highest number of sprints in the team. That's just a fact.

He also averages out about on par when it comes to the distance covered, when compared to Rich (11km) who gets rightly praised for his work.

Can you post the tackles/fouls and passes/pass accuracy of both Niasse and Kean you are using please Toff as the data I have seen from whoscored gives a far less flattering impression of Kean compared to Niasse.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1376298/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Manchester-United-Everton

My impression real time was Kean was trying, jusr was confused as to his role and seemed an obvious weak link to give away possession through either a poor pass, foul or poor positioning.

 

[BlueToff]

Truth is apart from getting tired he didn't do much wrong. That's a issue Dunc should've dealt with behind the scenes instead of making a example out of him by pulling him off with 5 mins to go for Niasse and probably putting a end to his career at Everton. Heard some saying his performance was 'disgraceful'. give over if he finished the game people wouldn't be banging on about how bad he was, they would probably be saying he deserves more game time and should play on Wednesday. I'll tell you who was bad for the majority of that game, Iwobi.

Exactly this.

I'm not disputing its a bit of a worry he was knackered after putting in the standard work you'd expect.

Then again, Lukaku always looked knackered when he played, and then he'd just pull something out of the reserves. Players are people and they all have different levels of fitness.

Some are better in short bursts, others other a longer period.

Deulofeu is the prime example of the first one. I'd say someone like Kean – from what we've seen so far – actually looks better when he's played 30-35 mins and seems to have got into the game more.

Like v Lincoln, when he looked to be hitting his stride late in the first half, and even v Wolves.

But there really wasn't anything to his performance which meant he deserved to be taken off in the way he was.

 

[Gilbert..]

Truth is apart from getting tired he didn't do much wrong. That's a issue Dunc should've dealt with behind the scenes instead of making a example out of him by pulling him off with 5 mins to go for Niasse and probably putting a end to his career at Everton. Heard some saying his performance was 'disgraceful'. give over if he finished the game people wouldn't be banging on about how bad he was, they would probably be saying he deserves more game time and should play on Wednesday. I'll tell you who was bad for the majority of that game, Iwobi.

Why do you think he took him off? For a laugh? Almost making out it was personal.
He as a manager made the call. If niasse had came on and made a hug error he would have to take it on the chin.
He made a decision as a manager. Whats the big deal.

 

[efcste97]

Can you post the tackles/fouls and passes/pass accuracy of both Niasse and Kean you are using please Toff as the data I have seen from whoscored gives a far less flattering impression of Kean compared to Niasse.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1376298/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Manchester-United-Everton

My impression real time was Kean was trying, jusr was confused as to his role and seemed an obvious weak link to give away possession through either a poor pass, foul or poor positioning.

The one foul I remember him giving away was actually a boss tackle, won the ball.

 

[Lelouch]

They could have brought me on and I could have ran 5 km in 18 minutes and sprinted 10 times, does that mean it's meaningful moment?

The whole argument is he got subbed off because he wasn't doing anything and walking around which isn't true, We looked a threat with him on because he was running at them with the ball with pace and United couldn't handle it, He gave away 1 dangerous free kick on the left (so did Niasse.)