Was Dunc right for hooking Kean?

Was Dunc right to hook Kean?


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What signs has Duncan shown shown that he lacks experience to be a manager? Two very good results so far like.
So did OGS, and he is hardly pulling up trees now. In fact this is as bad as Man Utd have been in living memory. It is way to early to make any judgement either way on how he will do. Now, if the board give him until the end of the season then we would have more of a sample size to judge from.

That said, Everton is a multimillion pound business, so that would be a massive call to make.
 

The club very much encouraged that hype though let's be honest. And the lad and his agent didn't exactly try to dampen it down.

He's done nothing at all suggest he should have had more chances, literally nothing. It's nearly half way through the season and his highlight reel would be a nice turn here and a bit of pace there. He's got to show much, much, more than that if he wants to avoid getting dragged off every time he plays. That's two very different managers with different approaches who've done it now, that ain't good.

Mate, in Kean's first news conference he was asked how many goals he'd like to score. He said seven (the same as last year). That's not exactly him going "I'm going to score 25 and win the Ballon d'Or", is it?

What other examples is there of his agent, Kean or even the club building him up? From all accounts he's a pretty quiet lad but gets along with everyone. Clearly there has been the issue with the meeting and that was addressed.

Of course he's got to show a lot more, as have most of the team. But I'm sorry, I don't think turfing the lad off after 18 minutes (in which he really didn't do anything at all wrong) in front of 70,000 people plus millions watching on TV is a sensible approach. Especially when the change achieved nothing?
 
He changed his formation to 4-5-1 and wanted to close the space centrally. At the same time, he wanted a backroom threat, and thought Kean would provide it. In my opinion, correctly considered, but should perhaps come sooner.

At first it seemed Kean was playing up top with DCL - Rich moving left.

Then, because we were sitting a lot deeper,Iwobi moved inside and Kean basically ended up playing wide right.

Then, he kind of switched with Rich and played wide left.

Then he was dragged off.
 
We need this kind of ruthless manager.

There's 'ruthless' and then there's unnecessary.

I'll keep pointing it out but this thing that Kean had a stinker is nonsense, he didn't.

If the change hadn't have been made, we'd have been talking about Kean as probably struggling to get into the game (as you'd expect when it's half a team away at OT holding out for a point), maybe a few sloppy touches and one or two promising runs.
 
Mate, in Kean's first news conference he was asked how many goals he'd like to score. He said seven (the same as last year). That's not exactly him going "I'm going to score 25 and win the Ballon d'Or", is it?

What other examples is there of his agent, Kean or even the club building him up? From all accounts he's a pretty quiet lad but gets along with everyone. Clearly there has been the issue with the meeting and that was addressed.

Of course he's got to show a lot more, as have most of the team. But I'm sorry, I don't think turfing the lad off after 18 minutes (in which he really didn't do anything at all wrong) in front of 70,000 people plus millions watching on TV is a sensible approach. Especially when the change achieved nothing?
Well you can't say whether the change achieved nothing can you? You don't know what would have happened if he'd stayed on so we can't judge the effectiveness of the change either way.

What examples are there of the club and his agent building him up? Do you think all the gushing articles about us signing one of the world's top talents were written by journalists who hadn't been briefed? You're more intelligent than that. You think it's coincidence that we released the video about looking after him etc, something we don't do for the majority of signings? Come off it. We heavily pushed this signing as a massive coup, and it might turn out to be one, but I bet the club are seriously regretting the expectations they put on him.
 

Dave’s very quiet. I hope he didn’t reach for the bleach when he witnessed baines coming on and getting an assist while Ferguson’s Everton went 1 up at old trafford.
 
Interesting regarding distance covered etc, is there anythig that tells you how that stacks up against the other players during the same time period?

I'll have a look. I don't think so. (Well, there will be, but I don't have access).

But you could probably average it out.

Richarlison for example ran 11km in the 97 mins total.

So you could avg that out at 1.13km every 10 mins.

So Kean's 2.09km in 18 mins seems about right.
 
Well you can't say whether the change achieved nothing can you? You don't know what would have happened if he'd stayed on so we can't judge the effectiveness of the change either way.

What examples are there of the club and his agent building him up? Do you think all the gushing articles about us signing one of the world's top talents were written by journalists who hadn't been briefed? You're more intelligent than that. You think it's coincidence that we released the video about looking after him etc, something we don't do for the majority of signings? Come off it. We heavily pushed this signing as a massive coup, and it might turn out to be one, but I bet the club are seriously regretting the expectations they put on him.

Well I know the Athletic journalists who wrote their pieces. I wrote a piece about Kean. I wasn't breathed, mate. You can call an agent or an Italian football expert and get their opinion. That's not the club doing that?

Obviously, the club released a vid saying that, but that's just what clubs do now isn't it? It's all marketing. And the signing was a massive coup - he genuinely is one of Europe's top prospects. That's not to say he hasn't got serious work to do to improve - and you and anyone else with sense will have been saying it when he signed.

And you know I said at the time that the club were wrong to lump all of the expectations on him. Because he wasn't ready for that, as good as he could go on to be.

But none of that equates to 18 minutes (which weren't even bad) and getting hauled off in the way he did.

You're right in what you say about the change working/not working. But as i've pointed out before, I'm not sure Oumar Niasse's three touches and two fouls in his four minutes will have contributed more than Kean had he been played central in those final four minutes, with DCL moving right as happened anyway.

The one thing the change did seem to achieve was flatten the entire crowd and even the Utd team. They all looked as shocked as Kean, which I guess is a bonus.
 

Niasse didn't give the ball away, and he genuinely tried to cause problems and work hard.

In a game were the Everton players had given everything, Kean came on and did absolutely nothing. He wasn't even working hard, and we kept losing possession with him. His substitution sends out a message that hard work is the minimum required, and for Kean perhaps the public humiliation will kick start a change of attitude. No player ever made it to the top of football without working hard.

His three touches came in the 93rd minute and then Utd got the ball back.

Kean was working hard. He was knackered - which isn't good - but he was working hard.

As I've said, he covered 2.09km in his 18 mins.

Now when I go on a run, I'll do 2km in like 16 minutes. But I'm not stop-starting. I'm going at a constant speed, not playing a Premier League football match.

His effort was there. Whether the application was is obviously what's in question and I'll agree he was sloppy. But it wasn't sloppy enough to see him dragged off.
 
Well I know the Athletic journalists who wrote their pieces. I wrote a piece about Kean. I wasn't breathed, mate. You can call an agent or an Italian football expert and get their opinion. That's not the club doing that?

Obviously, the club released a vid saying that, but that's just what clubs do now isn't it? It's all marketing. And the signing was a massive coup - he genuinely is one of Europe's top prospects. That's not to say he hasn't got serious work to do to improve - and you and anyone else with sense will have been saying it when he signed.

And you know I said at the time that the club were wrong to lump all of the expectations on him. Because he wasn't ready for that, as good as he could go on to be.

But none of that equates to 18 minutes (which weren't even bad) and getting hauled off in the way he did.

You're right in what you say about the change working/not working. But as i've pointed out before, I'm not sure Oumar Niasse's three touches and two fouls in his four minutes will have contributed more than Kean had he been played central in those final four minutes, with DCL moving right as happened anyway.

The one thing the change did seem to achieve was flatten the entire crowd and even the Utd team. They all looked as shocked as Kean, which I guess is a bonus.
I'd say they were bad personally. Not that I was expecting him to get dragged off, but I thought he was poor. I mean you've averaged out Richarlison's distance covered above, if you do the same thing for possession, did Richarlison give it up 32 times, to compete with Kean's once every 3 minutes? 9 touches and 6 times he gave up possession. If that's not bad then our standards have lowered even further than I thought.
 
Stats like that are very misleading and easily manipulated in this type of situation though. We were playing a relatively low block defensively for most of the game, and not asking the full backs to bomb up the pitch. That means 5 players aren't really being expected to sprint, there's no call for them to. You don't really want your centre half sprinting up the pitch like someone's controlling him on FIFA. Holgate can be added to that because of the role he was playing. So you can use '4th highest sprints in the entire team' to make it sound like he outworked people, when the reality is unlike most others he was just playing a role which required him (perhaps only required him) to sprint.
 
His three touches came in the 93rd minute and then Utd got the ball back.

Kean was working hard. He was knackered - which isn't good - but he was working hard.

As I've said, he covered 2.09km in his 18 mins.

Now when I go on a run, I'll do 2km in like 16 minutes. But I'm not stop-starting. I'm going at a constant speed, not playing a Premier League football match.

His effort was there. Whether the application was is obviously what's in question and I'll agree he was sloppy. But it wasn't sloppy enough to see him dragged off.

I disagree, his effort wasn't there at all. He offered very little, and at a time when we needed fresh legs and an outlet he wasn't it. I was surprised at the sub, but I've got no problem with it.

Not saying Niasse did great when he came on, but he certainly put himself about a lot more than kean did.

I don;t get the Kean love in. It'd be great for the lad to become a superstar at the club, I want that as much as the next person, but he's shown nothing to suggest he's got the hunger or desire to put in the required work to be successful.
 

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