Fair enough, but if your satisfied in finishing above West Brom, Stoke, Soton, Watford etc, etc, your easily satisfied. Before the season started I would have expected us to be 'best of the rest' but in view of how poor 2 or 3 of the teams above us have been, and with us having the Prems top scorer, and a manager of Koemans standing, and of setting a team up to be hard to beat, I maybe would have liked (expected?)us to be a bit better. I'm not happy finishing 7th, which is where we're likely to finish.
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Fair enough, but if your satisfied in finishing above West Brom, Stoke, Soton, Watford etc, etc, your easily satisfied. Before the season started I would have expected us to be 'best of the rest' but in view of how poor 2 or 3 of the teams above us have been, and with us having the Prems top scorer, and a manager of Koemans standing, and of setting a team up to be hard to beat, I maybe would have liked (expected?)us to be a bit better. I'm not happy finishing 7th, which is where we're likely to finish.
Osamabindiesel
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Agreed. People complain about Dave, yet they do nothing but antagonize him.
everton2004
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my post had nothing to do with Davek.
i find the Davek baiting quite boring also, and have said so many times
Eggsyblueskin
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So you expected a manager to take over a team firmly mired in mid table obscurity for two seasons and turn them into title contenders in his first season. Bloody hell! he's a manager not a magician. I'm intrigued what you expected the previous manager to achieve since he took over a sixth placed side, surely you weren't happy with improving by just one place?
Let's see where we are this time next season that's when we can judge him better as our manager.
everton2004
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“I feel sorry for Tom, I feel sorry for Gana because if it was allowed to change 10, then I would've changed 10 players after the first-half."
Absolutely love Ron's honesty.
Absolutely love Ron's honesty.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Ronko is gonna do some serious wrestling moves on anyone who stands in his way. He's on a mission ( a short term one ) to make us great again and in double quick time. He's fuming at that crappery performance today, open the purse strings for Ronald and let's see how far he can take us in the next couple of seasons.
So you expected a manager to take over a team firmly mired in mid table obscurity for two seasons and turn them into title contenders in his first season. Bloody hell! he's a manager not a magician. I'm intrigued what you expected the previous manager to achieve since he took over a sixth placed side, surely you weren't happy with improving by just one place?
Let's see where we are this time next season that's when we can judge him better as our manager.
The team that was firmly mired in mid table obscurity for two seasons is pretty much the same side that got us that 5th placed finish, so we know what they are capable of if they're managed correctly. Add Koeman into the equation, with his tactical nous, the top scorer in the Prem, the young talent at his disposal, a more mature Barkley,the success of Gana and Schneids (more recently) I would have expected better.
Who said anything about turning us into title contenders? Not me. Before the season started I would have expected us to finish in the top 6 or 7.............but, the way the season has mapped out, who'd have thought that Arsenal would be so poor? Utd ? With the factors I've mentioned above, I think we should be doing better, certainly should be closer to the top 4 or 5 anyway. Who'd have said the Liverpool would be so many points better than us when comparing the sides. You said you were more satisfied this season than Robertos first. I ask why. We played some really swashbuckling stuff that season but, ultimately, we couldn't defend, but it was a joy, especially after the turgid football of the Moyes era. But you take more satisfaction out of finishing top of the other 13 sides, than actually putting a challenge for the top 4. We'll likely finish 7th, I think that would be disappointing when you look at the team we have, the Prems top scorer, a Manager that's supposed to be able to set a defence up, a strong midfield. The emergence of Davies. We have a better squad than the RS, maybe we don't have as good a Manager.
McBain
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Your thought process is interesting. So we should actually be above Arsenal and Manchester United currently?
Lads.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
I think the truth is that we have diametrically opposed views here and are unlikely to reconcile them however long this discussion continues. However in answer to your question, Koeman has improved Everton's position relative to our previous league position to a greater degree than the previous manager, therefore this leaves me personally more optimistic going forward since I feel his task was the more difficult of the two.
Ultimately there is no right or wrong here just different views ' vive la difference' or something like that.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Not this again. You do realise the time of obscurity is twice the length of the holy grail season of yours? It happened three bloody seasons ago. You can't assume nothing had happened in between.
I deem this is madness, absolutely madness to use this 5th place trophy as a stick to beat our current manager. The team was not managed properly and that was what you get under the previous crappy management. Why did you expect better? Bearing in mind that the money/wages this club had spent in comparison with the current top 6.
You answer your own question you expect top 6/7 at the start season. Now that Koeman achieves the initial target, you move the goal post.
Frankly, I much prefer the overall record of Moyes than Martinez because the fraud can hide himself in shame due to his inability to organise a defence. It was a joke.
When was the last time we realistically putting a challenge for top 4? Yes back in 2005. People keep overrating the current squad and assume it is better than RS with no facts to back it up.
Until Koeman is given a fair bit amount of net spend which is close to the level of the current top 6, there is no reason to question his ability in taking this club to the next level. He has already improved this team massively in 10 months. You seem to forget the nightmare we had in the past 2 seasons. Sounds familiar.
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