Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[blue62]

As many others with far more knowledge than me have commented, he has no plan B when things go wrong, which is wholly unacceptable at this level. He has some talent and the courage of his convictions, but you cannot play the type of football he wants with our resources, we were found out last season and he's done nothing about it primarily because he doesn't know how.

If there's no announcement today then he will be here until the season ends, that is probably the right thing to do now so long as he is gagged, his pressers are irrelevant and tedious. Go after the last game with hopefully a little bit of dignity restored, him, us and the club. No need to bay or boo now, Bobby will be gone whatever, so let's get behind the players and show some unity.

 

[Stutheblue]

Thing is though, look at our first 10 games this season. We were unlucky, we had a tough start, players were coming into form etc

There were excuses that a lot of us (including me) took as being the reality of what was happening. So it isn't as easy to let him have any time next season, because there is always an excuse, always a reason for something going wrong. Consdering the mind set of martinez fans until recently was 'things will just kick into place' , how long do you give it.

I know you probably agree that we just need to cut ties asap with him, it just isn't good enough and the more you look into it, the worse it looks.

I know what you mean. Injuries, suspensions, referree decisions etc etc always impact on results. I was like you, as I just thought the luck would turn our way after Christmas. But its gone evem more down hill. The table doesn't lie. We may have thought this squad of players were better than what they were. I certainly thought we were better than the RS and Man U back in Autumn 2015. Not so now. Things have to change at the top and first thing to do is sort out our defence and our mentality.

 

[Ashtonluke]

I know. This is my fear. If he start next season and we're say 12th or 13th after 10 games he'll go then. But what does that do to our season.
Some have said the 'hate' for our manager is sad to witness. Its not hate from me, its business that simply has to be taken care of. Thanks for your efforts and the 1st season in particular and all that stuff. But we have to act now to move forward with most of these players.

Plus if he is allowed to stay into next season it essentially means he will have spent a decent amount in the summer and the new manager coming in may not want those players. It was like Rogers at the RS last year, it's not the way to go. Better to get a new man in for pre season and give them the money.

 

[RFUS]

Not saying I disagree who is the better, but yes it can be debated if people want to for one very good reason.

Trophies won by Martinez 1

Trophies won by Moyes 0

Alex Mccleish has multiple Trophies including a league cup here. It's a flawed argument.

Good managers must sustain a certain level. Moyes was immensely consistent at a higher level than Martinez, who consistently delivers bottom half finishes.

 

[bcblue1878]

"A defining week" - Martinez's own words before the derby - "An embarrassment" - Martinez's own words after the derby!
Here we are now thirty six hours or so after a semi final defeat to possibly one of the worst Man Utd teams in recent history and he is still in a job! I cannot for the life of me understand how he still has the title of Everton manager?
Kirkbride's article in The Echo - Martinez knows he has a fight to save his job - is nothing more than an embarrassing, self pitying attempt to get an extra few bob out of Mr Moshiri. Esk says Martinez's days are numbered, and talks have already taken place with other interested parties and I believe him, to be honest it's the only thing giving me any hope at all at the moment about this whole saga ! What I am really struggling to get my head around though is why he's still here after the "defining" week which turned out to be an absolute disaster for this football club! Clearly he's lost the players, the second half on Saturday was purely down to the players and zero to do with his management, he's lost the vast majority of the fans, but for some weird and wonderful reason he's still here, why?? The silence from the powers that be is deafening!
Pay him off, get rid as soon as, whatever the cost it'll be worth it, because every day that goes by and he's still in the job the board are losing more and more of the fan base, and if they don't know that already they'll have a good idea on Saturday, win lose or draw it won't be a nice place to be for anyone!​

 

[Ashtonian]

I know what you mean. Injuries, suspensions, referree decisions etc etc always impact on results. I was like you, as I just thought the luck would turn our way after Christmas. But its gone evem more down hill. The table doesn't lie. We may now think this squad of players are better than what they are. I certainly thought we were better than the RS and Man U back then. Not so now. Things have to change at the top and first thing to do is sort out our defence and our mentality.

Still think when you look at the squad and basically see it has 1 striker (kone and niasse dont count), 3 defenders (one 21 years old), 3 right backs but only one is fit to play for the team all season, 35 year old midfielders, one winger fielded at a time etc. for me it is going to be refreshing when the squad just makes sense again!

 

[Mickey]

The very fact that inviting a previous manager to the training ground makes his highlight reel is pretty damning.

I'd also say that if you don't think Moyes had the chance to screw us over at any point before he did then you're quite mistaken. I won't defend Moyes because he annoyed me with the way things were handled, but some of the revisionism about his time here is quite extraordinary. Have we suddenly started to win silverware? No. Winning loads of away games at the big grounds? Nope. Improved our league positions? Not that either.

Martinez was quite happy to screw over Wigan and Swansea when he had the chance, now he's here blaming everyone but himself for our pitiful performances. I won't feel sorry for him in the slightest once he finally gets his marching orders.

Moyes had loads of faults but is 10x the manager of Bobby. Moyes couldn't take us to the next level but we could at least win at home. Bobby had the cup now he has nothing it's why he'll throw everyone and anyone under the bus now to brass it out till he gets sacked.

 

[AndyC]

Guys and gals - Martinez will be here until such time as Mr.Moshiri and the chosen candidate agree terms and whoever it is signs on the dotted line. Then Martinez will be ousted in double quick time and the media circus of the official announcement of the new manager will take place.

If it is to be a currently employed manager for example Manuel Pellegrini, then in all likelihood, nothing at all will occur until such time as City are eliminated from or win the CL... or the season in over.

If it's any other current unemployed manager (gets down on knees and prays it's Jose), then it's all about the timescale of agreeing the terms and conditions and I reckon Mr.Moshiri will be progressing these negotiations as quickly as possible.

 

[wiggum23]

Alex Mccleish has multiple Trophies including a league cup here. It's a flawed argument.

Good managers must sustain a certain level. Moyes was immensely consistent at a higher level than Martinez, who consistently delivers bottom half finishes.

Agreed. I wouldn't want Moyes back, but people forget what he did here. He had a terrible squad in the early days but still assembled a team that was hard to beat and gradually improved the quality over time without spending a lot.

Whilst nobody could be sure, I believe that if he had this sort of squad we would be top six and before anyone says the football would be boring, it hasn't exactly been Brazil style for a while now under RM.

 

[davids]

they did already in the second half on saturday.

Sad to see how good we good be with that performance with a little bit more direction to the play.

Hopefully after 15 minutes of Saturdays game we'll have a clearer picture.

 

[bluegirl]

What is going on? Why haven't they sacked him yet?

 

[Thomasc]

Alex Mccleish has multiple Trophies including a league cup here. It's a flawed argument.

Good managers must sustain a certain level. Moyes was immensely consistent at a higher level than Martinez, who consistently delivers bottom half finishes.

Like I said, I don't disagree.......just saying it can be debated for that very reason, as he said it couldn't.

In fact look......we are debating it!

 

[flibbyflob]

When you haven't checked for an hour and you see a breaking news thing on BBC sport online and get your hopes up only for it to be about the Joshua fight.

 

[eddy]

The way the board are handling this now has become like a soap opera. I think it is damaging on many levels.

Kenwright always said he would `sell to the right buyer`. It looks like the requirement was a `yes man` or `poodle`

Are the board that detached that they cannot see how this is impacting on the supporters, ability to retain and attract players?

He should of gone weeks ago, nothing wrong with staff managing until the end of the season, Moshiri needs to end this farce
by close of business today

All becoming embarrasing now.

And as for that video with Barklay who`s job is it to console the lad? Can you imagine that one for Martinez, quote ` they are not booing you rosco they are booing me for being a crap manager` no, rather just let a young lad stew in self doubt .... quality man management !

 

[bcblue1878]

Here's a strange idea for us to consider (pin hopes to)...

The delay in dismissing Martinez might be due to it taking a little longer than expected to dot the i's and cross the t's on a staggering appointment to replace him.

The job awaiting the new manager is a big one, a massive one as the whole mindset within the club needs to alter course. This is a genuine project, a chance for the right person to mould a club, a team, a fan base into a dynasty.

I'm leaning towards thinking that we're not getting any kind of also-ran or up-and-coming manager, that we are working hard on a genuine top quality candidate who is seeking plenty of assurances from the new owner who is doing his utmost to provide them in such a way as to give the manager total authority to re-build our club with a five-year target of minimum CL qualification and (at least) one domestic cup.

BlockHead, I think you are 100% (well may be 90+%) right, particularly having followed what Esk has said over the last week or so! But I still can't get why Martinez is still here, all it and the silence from above is doing is causing more and more bad feeling, some of which I fear will be very evident on Saturday! Temporary appointment from now until season's end, a few U21'S given a game, and the bad feeling goes away! Why drag it out?