Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Thomasc]

Thmasc - it's called his opinion.

I am aware of that, don't need you to point it out. Some of my post though is fact and strongly suggests his opinion is flawed based on the results, so just pointed that out.

 

[The Cowboy]

Probably the same amount who are scraping around for Wembley tickets.
If there's less than 36000 v Southampton I'll be amazed.

Just cos they're going doesn't mean they're looking forward to it.

 

[Jags..class]

I would give him till the end if the season to see if he can win the f.a cup but this would be a miracle right now

Im patient and loyal and don't like sacking managers, I was gutted when Moyes left but wouldnt have him back.

But I can see that the majority of fans want him gone and when this happens there no way back. I can see the flaws in Martinez and he not dealing with the pressure at all. He is stinking rather then swimming

 

[AndyC]

Dear me, can you not see what is going on right in front of you?
Mirallas
Baines
Coleman
Stones
McCarthy
and latterly Barkley
all of these players have gone backwards under him, The team play slow, predictable,boring football which kills any atmosphere inside the stadium.
We cant defend.
not one goal from a direct free kick all season- which again indicates a lack of practice.
Still no interview from any senior player coming out in support of him- speaks volumes.
\what low cost punts has he had?
this man has single handedly killed any optimism within the club, he speaks utter garbage, "today was a strong result",
absolutely shocking home record.
if he is allowed to continue to next Saturday, the crowd at Goodison will have their say. We have had enough.

Largely a good post that.
Needs, in my opinion, some slight qualification.

Mirallas - talented, but moody and mercurial... needs cuddling, cajoling and man managing.

Baines - loyal, gifted offensively but at times defensively, he stands too far off his man. Terrific in combination with Stevie P, but sadly those days are gone and it looks as though time and injuries are beginning to catch up with Leighton.

Coleman - a good athlete with a terrific 'I don't care who you are or what your reputation is" attitude who was rightly heralded as THE bargain buy of the era. Sadly, Seamus needs a change and preferably of manager rather than club hopefully in order to get back to what he was.

Stones - potentially, a superstar in the making. But the trouble is he's a defender working under a coaching and management regime who appear to pay little or no heed to the need to practise defensive basics, duties and responsibilities. The mantra of possession football is blighting this lads development.

McCarthy - terrific first season, great work ethic, but limited in a league where ball winners need to be ball players as well. A modern day but incomplete version of Paul Bracewell.

Barkley - widely accepted as a huge, huge talent who at times looks utterly lost. Better playing offensively slightly behind and in support of the main striker than in a defensive midfield role. Tends to delay too much because - it seems to me - he's trying to think about what to do next too much. Needs to play quicker and much more instinctively.

Because it appears the squad spend little or not time on defensive drills and tactics as some/all of the coaching staff don't see it as being necessary, we now have a disjointed, lacking cohesion, low in confidence and self-esteem rear guard and the only thing that will change that is a complete change of coaching staff and methodology. All the top, top managers of the last fifty years have built sides on solid, defensive foundations... I don't even have to list them, we all know it's true.

Managers who rely purely on attacking football win games, but not titles.

A team needs a strong spine and that has to start, without fail, with a quality, confident, confidence inspiring goalie. It then has to have a central defender who organises and commands the rest of the back four. Throw in a strong, combative, but ball-playing midfield general and a centre forward with power, pace, the ability to battle AND compete in the air... And you have your spine.

Ideally you'ld like a Holy Trinity in midfield, but they're a once in a lifetime gift of the footballing Gods.

This has to be the starting point and if you look at the current squad, you can make the following assessment or ask the questions...
Is Joel Robles the confident, confidence inspiring goalie ?
Jags, bless him, isn't the best organiser or commander of a back four.
Who is our midfield general... Our Bobby Collins, our Peter Reid, our, dare I say it, Stevie Me ?
And for all his pace and power, Rom is not the best in the air if we're brutally honest.

Bottom line is, we currently are a squad of gifted, talented individuals that needs moulding into being a team. The squad needs moulding, re-shaping and if necessary by the addition of some much harder training, tactics and discipline.

The current manager and his coaching staff are woefully inadequate for that role as they've shown previously at Wigan and comprehensively over the course of this and last season.

Everton is a proud and once powerful club with a long and much envied history, but right now we are not a sleeping giant, we are a soft-bellied pushover and that has to change and the change has to begin much, much sooner than later. With every day that goes by, our chances of taking any crumb of comfort from this season decrease.

El Bob is seemingly a very nice man and is probably great company to be around, but he is not the man to take this club to where we want it to be.

I'd like to us at least approach Jose Mourinho or Joachim Loew about taking the job, and set a two/three year target of reaching the top four. Let's not get too giddy and demand the title in two years, that simply won't happen, much as we'd all like it to. However, strong and steady improvement over two years with a serious challenge in year three would not, in my opinion, be an unreasonable ask.

 

[evertony]

What's the role of the manager then, smiling at the press?

Please re-read. I acknowledged the manager was equally at fault.....but that it was not "just" him.

 

[mceverton]

The poll reflects a number of forum posters .I would disagree that it reflects the match-going Evertonians in such a high percentage. Where I sit in the Paddock I hear very little discontent other than a foul-mouthed tanked up thirty-something who shouts as many obscenities as he can before he has to breathe despite having his young impressionable lad with him. But that's not just directed at Martinez....its liners, players, refs, groundstaff the lot!

Just because people don't constantly shout foul mouthed abuse at Martinez at the match doesn't mean that they are happy with him or supportive of him.

I am a ST holder and I don't shout abuse at him whilst at the match but I most definitely want him out, I have no faith whatsoever in him and I fear for us next season with him in charge.

 

[evertony]

I am aware of that, don't need you to point it out. Some of my post though is fact and strongly suggests his opinion is flawed based on the results, so just pointed that out.

We're heading to Kipper territory on here....its not difficult to be reasonable with other posters...just saying like.

 

[evertony]

Just because people don't constantly shout foul mouthed abuse at Martinez at the match doesn't mean that they are happy with him or supportive of him.

I am a ST holder and I don't shout abuse at him whilst at the match but I most definitely want him out, I have no faith whatsoever in him and I fear for us next season with him in charge.

Fine. My point is that of the many people I sit amongst very few are at the point where they want him sacked now. A forum reflects its contributors, not all Evertonians.

Over 28,000 people are signed up to GOT.....only 1800 feel the need to vote. That's quite telling as it doesn't even reflect the noise being made on the Forum

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Yes, the reasons i would keep him are:

A-- He has a vision of good football
B-- Id like to see what he can do with money
C-- He signs young players with long term focus
D-- Very positive personality
E-- "Could be tactically astute with the right players

At the moment in the short term its not good enough and hasnt been for ages now....but i like to be positive and see him have an opportunity.

I'm a nice guy that way

He can attract good players himself and i think with our core of quality others will want to come and we have money now.

Quite frankly though i want a massive load of changes on the playing side.....disgusted with some of them.

Errrrr...

 

[Mikeonlythebestwilldo]

We need the whole fan base to unite in goodison on Saturday to take Everton forwards , etc Martinez out he's had his say about time the fans have they're say about the manager , lack of player fitness , tactics , results etc we all deserve to be seen and must be heard

 

[tommye]

Fine. My point is that of the many people I sit amongst very few are at the point where they want him sacked now. A forum reflects its contributors, not all Evertonians.

Over 28,000 people are signed up to GOT.....only 1800 feel the need to vote. That's quite telling as it doesn't even reflect the noise being made on the Forum

26200 of them are Chico multis.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Yawn....more meaningless nonsense. There is clear hatred on here and that is obvious and has been provem by 15 people saying they want the team to lose to get the manager sacked.

Getting a bit tedious and boring now...not one poster has actually written out a detailed plan with reasoning on who would do a better job, how we would change tactically and what players would be jettissoned under the manager.

"Oooooh, lets get Jose in"....yawn.

No, there isn't 'clear hatred' on here, but it's best martinez goes before things turn nastier - and they will, if he's left in charge.

Same mistakes only too apparent yesterday; and all we hear from the pro-camp are the same pathetic pleas of: "He'll turn it around, he's young, still learning the game..." ad nauseum

THAT'S getting tedious and boring.

 

[mceverton]

Fine. My point is that of the many people I sit amongst very few are at the point where they want him sacked now. A forum reflects its contributors, not all Evertonians.

Over 28,000 people are signed up to GOT.....only 1800 feel the need to vote. That's quite telling as it doesn't even reflect the noise being made on the Forum

Fair enough and equally the small group of people that you sit among at Goodison don't reflect the opinions of all Evertonians either.

Also the fact that so few of the 28,000 people signed up to GOT haven't voted isn't telling at all. If most of them felt that Martinez is still the right man for the job why don't more of them post that view?

 

[evertony]

We need the whole fan base to unite in goodison on Saturday to take Everton forwards , etc Martinez out he's had his say about time the fans have they're say about the manager , lack of player fitness , tactics , results etc we all deserve to be seen and must be heard

Joined today.....is RAWK down?

 

[evertony]

Fair enough and equally the small group of people that you sit among at Goodison don't reflect the opinions of all Evertonians either.

Also the fact that so few of the 28,000 people signed up to GOT haven't voted isn't telling at all. If most of them felt that Martinez is still the right man for the job why don't more of them post that view?

I didn't suggest anywhere that Blues who still want the Manager haven't voted.....I said the huge majority of forum members haven't voted full stop.

So, we're agreed....the poll has no reflection whatsoever of the real position of "most Evertonians".