Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Stan Lee Park]

Mostly his players but not all...he needs to move a load on still i think.

Also left midfield hes not spent money at all there but for shoehorning £5mil Kone and Free Cleverley there....centre mid other than McCarthy he has 2 budget signings.

Only position where i think we have no need to look at is Right Wing....for me, the rest is fair game.

So we get rid of the squad carefully assembled over three years.
Wouldn't it be more sensible to find a manager who might put a decent squad together in the next three years?
That would involve sacking Martinez.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Wrong. Theres different types of manager.

Look at Howe for example, he never changed his style or system despite injuries and losses...then it clicked for them and they shot up the table -- he confirmed this a couple of weeks back.

Long term thinking, play the system.

Yeah because Bournemouth are boss art they,

Martinez is way out of his depth, proved it with Wigan, proving it now with us

 

[Sentinel]

as for me its not just the manager at all. Its the players

I'd agree, with this. Martinez is an easy target right now and you're not going to get a balanced viewpoint from Evertonians. We've already heard , that, win the FA Cup or even worse some hope we lose. Sack him anyway. I can't subscribe to that view point. Primarily because, I was wrong about Kendall and not many would admit to it, but I wanted him out. I was wrong. Funnily enough to this day, some lads I speak with, say, HE GOT LUCKY. Catterick is another example.

Back to the point, stick to your guns. The players can be faulted. In my view they're not playing for him anymore. It's not popular but I'd have got shut of Lukaka and Stones last season. Last people I would want at my company is people eyeing a move elsewhere. That viewpoint is disruptive.

 

[Zatara]

He bought Aidan McGeedy for the midfield.

If he had money he would have signed better dont you think?

Hes had a lot of punts on low cost money and used funds for a handful of signings only.

 

[Zatara]

I'd agree, with this. Martinez is an easy target right now and you're not going to get a balanced viewpoint from Evertonians. We've already heard , that, win the FA Cup or even worse some hope we lose. Sack him anyway. I can't subscribe to that view point. Primarily because, I was wrong about Kendall and not many would admit to it, but I wanted him out. I was wrong. Funnily enough to this day, some lads I speak with, say, HE GOT LUCKY. Catterick is another example.

Back to the point, stick to your guns. The players can be faulted. In my view they're not playing for him anymore. It's not popular but I'd have got shut of Lukaka and Stones last season. Last people I would want at my company is people eyeing a move elsewhere. That viewpoint is disruptive.

I also think the out of contract players and Howard moving on will be a breath of fresh air...cant see them being happy campers after beijg dropped for the first time in their careers after being in the side every week before.

 

[bluestevon]

Yes, the reasons i would keep him are:

A-- He has a vision of good football
B-- Id like to see what he can do with money
C-- He signs young players with long term focus
D-- Very positive personality
E-- "Could be tactically astute with the right players

At the moment in the short term its not good enough and hasnt been for ages now....but i like to be positive and see him have an opportunity.

I'm a nice guy that way

He can attract good players himself and i think with our core of quality others will want to come and we have money now.

Quite frankly though i want a massive load of changes on the playing side.....disgusted with some of them.

A - does he though really mate, his vision is entirely based upon possesion but that vision has no room for hard work when not having the ball, it's a lazy 2000's type Brazil styule of casually kncking it around and expecting the class to tell, and when it is done without intensity it is boring as hell to watch - and the intensity is don't mistake it - not a part of the Martinez vision - henche Lukaku oft quoted thing from last year where the palyers pestered him to increase it and change - which he did for about 2 weeks before going back to what his 'vision' is
B - same reasoning could be used to keep hold of any manager at any club that hasn't got Chelsea/rs/City like levels of money
C - It is actually hard to say if he is signing with a long term focus though - 3 years atm, no one from the academy is any closer to breaking through, yes he does sign young players and does play them, but no more than do a lot of other managers - compare his record with the managers in Portugal, Holland, and at a lt of clubs outside the 'mega rich' ones and they all have at similar types of records mate - Koeman, Pocchetini etc
D - Would argue that his personality is too positive, can you think of any single manager who has had sustained success with this mentaility of always a silver lining to every cloud and describing even the most abject games as positives?
E - Has never ever shown it on more than a game here or their basis, look through any managers games and they will have anomolies to the norm mate, the key to if someone is good tactically is having a plan B, martinez doesn't he has been unable to change since his style was found out towards the end of the first season with us, even Pep had to change once his original Barca model began to be easily countered by the better teams - and it is what seperates the 'fad' managers from the good ones IMO
The thing said by us when he came from Wigan wa s- ahh yeah but he had crap at Wigan - at us he will have a way better set of players and more money - and he does - yet we scarily resemble his Wigan teams mate and are on course to have a points total that wouldn't lok out of place when he was their, he has spent money and had some core elements of quality at this team, but overall the team looks on the pitch in worse shape than when he took over, given some of the absolute undoubted class players we have now - does that not make you stop and think and then get seriously worried?

On a note mate, apologise for the overly personal/criticial way i have been towrads you the past bit of time, your not a bad lad all around, just on this issue mate can sometimes get me wound up as your not looking IMO at the big picture and have pigeoned yourself into a pro martinez or anti change cupboard.

 

[bluestevon]

If he had money he would have signed better dont you think?

Hes had a lot of punts on low cost money and used funds for a handful of signings only.

He was always going to sign McGeady mate, follow the history of them both, Martinez has wanted him for a long time since he was at Wigan and tried for him, much like with Cleverley he was a player very much pursued by Martinez that he was determined to get to Everton

If both had been udner long contrqacts all that would hav ehappened is we would have paid a LOT more for them as they where if you like it 'priority' targets of his

 

[Thomasc]

Yes, the reasons i would keep him are:

A-- He has a vision of good football
B-- Id like to see what he can do with money
C-- He signs young players with long term focus
D-- Very positive personality
E-- "Could be tactically astute with the right players

At the moment in the short term its not good enough and hasnt been for ages now....but i like to be positive and see him have an opportunity.

I'm a nice guy that way

He can attract good players himself and i think with our core of quality others will want to come and we have money now.

Quite frankly though i want a massive load of changes on the playing side.....disgusted with some of them.

Mate, you can write as many long, fantasy fuelled posts as you like, facts are though we have won 6 league games since the beginning of October and 5 were against the bottom 3.

We have lost more league games than we have won in a calendar year too, thus making the majority of your A to E points completely nonsensical and meaningless.

If we keep him for another year as you suggest, the probability based on nearly 2 full seasons form is that we will be in a relegation scrap, especially when our 20 goal a season striker sods off.

 

[Darth Vader]

So he needs more money then?

Outstanding

Here's 100m Bobby, Hopefully you can get us above Bournemouth and WBA with that war chest

 

[bluestevon]

Mostly his players but not all...he needs to move a load on still i think.

Also left midfield hes not spent money at all there but for shoehorning £5mil Kone and Free Cleverley there....centre mid other than McCarthy he has 2 budget signings.

Only position where i think we have no need to look at is Right Wing....for me, the rest is fair game.

Is not a part of that problem then, he spent 10m on Mori as primarily a back up to cureent starters
He spent 14m on Naisse who is at best a back up to current starters

wouldn't that money have been better spent elsewhere on players who would fill starting holes in the team, additionally a manager who bloats the squad out with tosh is limiting his ability when targets do become available, the likes of Alcaraz, Mcgeady, Kone etc etc are all taking hme a decent wage that could have been better used elsewhere rather than bloating a wage bill and squad with sub standard wigan calibre players

 

[bluestevon]

I also think the out of contract players and Howard moving on will be a breath of fresh air...cant see them being happy campers after beijg dropped for the first time in their careers after being in the side every week before.

Will show you a statistic mate, out of the teams that will remain in the league come next season our record is 24 points from 26 games played

and that is with a 20+ goalscorer in our team who is very likely to leave next season as things stand currently

Teams with no fight whatsoever we can beat 15 points in 5 games against the bottom three who have no battle in them, but against the rest of the league if you stand up to this team then it folds, 4 points in 4 games against the newly promted teams is an example of this

 

[tirion]

If he had money he would have signed better dont you think?

Hes had a lot of punts on low cost money and used funds for a handful of signings only.

Dear me, can you not see what is going on right in front of you?
Mirallas
Baines
Coleman
Stones
McCarthy
and latterly Barkley
all of these players have gone backwards under him, The team play slow, predictable,boring football which kills any atmosphere inside the stadium.
We cant defend.
not one goal from a direct free kick all season- which again indicates a lack of practice.
Still no interview from any senior player coming out in support of him- speaks volumes.
\what low cost punts has he had?
this man has single handedly killed any optimism within the club, he speaks utter garbage, "today was a strong result",
absolutely shocking home record.
if he is allowed to continue to next Saturday, the crowd at Goodison will have their say. We have had enough.

 

[Jimmy1]

He's never really improved the team with his transfers after his first season. Second season he signed Barry and Lukaku permanently and then Besic. But we were possibly weaker in that we didn't have Deulofeu. 3rd season we got Del back in, bought Mori to replace Distin and Cleverley and this Niasse.

So in 2 years he hasn't improved us at all in my opinion. We lost better players (some still at the club but don't play anymore) and replaced them with weaker ones.

Id rather not give him anymore money.

 

[TheFinnFan]

After seeing Jags getting injured it's clear that Martinezs days are numbered.

We will get trashed in the derby and have no chance against West Ham/ ManU in the semis. He will be sacked 25th of April.

 

[Smodger]

This has become a nightmare how many blues are looking forward to going are next home game? I'm not that's for sure.