elstone on os

[billytoffee]

I'm not a shareholder, wasn't at the EGM, but I've seen his performance on the OS video. It was an embarrassment. He was getting laughed at over the transport plan.


Must do better, Mr Elstone.

Same for me - I too am neither a shareholder nor someone who was at the EGM and have only had the 26 minute video on the OS to form my latest opinions on.

There was nothing "embarrasing" about Elstones presentation and delivery. It was a measured performance, proffessionaly delivered and on first impressions he came across as a sharp and unflappable character. He was not bigging it up, he was in no way arrogant and it came across as being all about Everton Football Club not about any individual agenda or ego.

The fact that people laughed at the transport plan is only an indication of their opinion about it. This may be well founded on fact or it may be based on a lack of clarity or understanding of the information that has been released - only time will tell.

As Evertonians we have to accept that -standing still or failing to move forward is not an option.

The cards are always stacked against us - from local government (LCC) to central government (Call in, Work Permits etc...) we never get the rub of the green.

With FIFA & the FA we always seem to get a bum deal (European bans etc..),

Refs as far back as I can remeber (Clive Thomas through to Twatenburg) have always seemed to be against us.

The saving grace for me has been that we have always stuck together - we have never let all these things effect how we go about our business.

Like I've said before they are not sat on their arse letting the world go by - they are actively striving to move us forward in the best way that is within their gift -

waiting for our techniclor dreamcoat billionaire to come along may prove too late.

Accept that what we have now is what we have, get behind them, support them, do not distract them from what they are doing with pointless petitions, demands for meetings that again will distract and dishearten lets stop thinking up unattainable dreams and forcing them to shift focus to appease the whingers and doubters.

These people hold the positions at our club because they are clever and shrewd business men (I dont think any of ours inherited daddys millions) but above all they are Evertonians and that is what sets them aside from anyone else. That is what makes them a little like me.

Lets have some faith !

Lets accept that change is inevitable - (without it we would all be shitting in the woods and cooking on open fires)

Stop letting our Hearts cloud our heads - Goodison holds more history than any other ground in the leauge but it has long since outgrown its utility - it is nothing more than an anchor helping to tie us in the position that we are in - time to hall the anchor in and move on to Bigger and Better--

COYB

 

[Neiler]

Same for me - I too am neither a shareholder nor someone who was at the EGM and have only had the 26 minute video on the OS to form my latest opinions on.

There was nothing "embarrasing" about Elstones presentation and delivery. It was a measured performance, proffessionaly delivered and on first impressions he came across as a sharp and unflappable character. He was not bigging it up, he was in no way arrogant and it came across as being all about Everton Football Club not about any individual agenda or ego.

The fact that people laughed at the transport plan is only an indication of their opinion about it. This may be well founded on fact or it may be based on a lack of clarity or understanding of the information that has been released - only time will tell.

As Evertonians we have to accept that -standing still or failing to move forward is not an option.

The cards are always stacked against us - from local government (LCC) to central government (Call in, Work Permits etc...) we never get the rub of the green.

With FIFA & the FA we always seem to get a bum deal (European bans etc..),

Refs as far back as I can remeber (Clive Thomas through to Twatenburg) have always seemed to be against us.

The saving grace for me has been that we have always stuck together - we have never let all these things effect how we go about our business.

Like I've said before they are not sat on their arse letting the world go by - they are actively striving to move us forward in the best way that is within their gift -

waiting for our techniclor dreamcoat billionaire to come along may prove too late.

Accept that what we have now is what we have, get behind them, support them, do not distract them from what they are doing with pointless petitions, demands for meetings that again will distract and dishearten lets stop thinking up unattainable dreams and forcing them to shift focus to appease the whingers and doubters.

These people hold the positions at our club because they are clever and shrewd business men (I dont think any of ours inherited daddys millions) but above all they are Evertonians and that is what sets them aside from anyone else. That is what makes them a little like me.

Lets have some faith !

Lets accept that change is inevitable - (without it we would all be shitting in the woods and cooking on open fires)

Stop letting our Hearts cloud our heads - Goodison holds more history than any other ground in the leauge but it has long since outgrown its utility - it is nothing more than an anchor helping to tie us in the position that we are in - time to hall the anchor in and move on to Bigger and Better--

COYB

Stands and Applauds!

A truely Great Post mate!!!!! P.O.T.Month

 

[Makis]

The fact that people laughed at the transport plan is only an indication of their opinion about it. This may be well founded on fact or it may be based on a lack of clarity or understanding of the information that has been released - only time will tell.

Could you PLEASE read the transport documents before telling people who have actually read it that they didn't understand it? You do use the "or" there, but honestly, you still made an underhand remark that maybe people just don't understand it and that's why we don't like it.

The cards are always stacked against us - from local government (LCC) to central government (Call in, Work Permits etc...) we never get the rub of the green.

Yes, of course. It's everyone elses fault that we are doing poorly.

These people hold the positions at our club because they are clever and shrewd business men (I dont think any of ours inherited daddys millions) but above all they are Evertonians and that is what sets them aside from anyone else. That is what makes them a little like me.

Uh. Kenwright has been pretty succesful in the theatre world, Woods never seems to say or do anything, except support Kenwright and Earl has gone bankrupt twice.

Lets have some faith !

Honestly, when the club can't even handle basic stuff like catering or merchandising right, why should we?

Lets accept that change is inevitable - (without it we would all be shitting in the woods and cooking on open fires)

Yes, change is always for the better, isn't it?

Stop letting our Hearts cloud our heads - Goodison holds more history than any other ground in the leauge but it has long since outgrown its utility - it is nothing more than an anchor helping to tie us in the position that we are in - time to hall the anchor in and move on to Bigger and Better--

How would the Kirkby stadium make Everton more competitive? I've been trying to find a reason, but there seems to be only two answers:
- Because the club said so or
- It would make 10 million extra profit.

Of course the latter is false (Wyness said revenue, not profit), but even if it was true, I can't understand how 10 million extra will suddenly change everything.

So, since you are so certain that moving is essential, I would really like to know what you base that opinion on? Could you imagine that maybe, just maybe not everyone puts the club first and themselves second?

 

[davek]

Same for me - I too am neither a shareholder nor someone who was at the EGM and have only had the 26 minute video on the OS to form my latest opinions on.

There was nothing "embarrasing" about Elstones presentation and delivery. It was a measured performance, proffessionaly delivered and on first impressions he came across as a sharp and unflappable character. He was not bigging it up, he was in no way arrogant and it came across as being all about Everton Football Club not about any individual agenda or ego.

The fact that people laughed at the transport plan is only an indication of their opinion about it. This may be well founded on fact or it may be based on a lack of clarity or understanding of the information that has been released - only time will tell.

As Evertonians we have to accept that -standing still or failing to move forward is not an option.

The cards are always stacked against us - from local government (LCC) to central government (Call in, Work Permits etc...) we never get the rub of the green.

With FIFA & the FA we always seem to get a bum deal (European bans etc..),

Refs as far back as I can remeber (Clive Thomas through to Twatenburg) have always seemed to be against us.

The saving grace for me has been that we have always stuck together - we have never let all these things effect how we go about our business.

Like I've said before they are not sat on their arse letting the world go by - they are actively striving to move us forward in the best way that is within their gift -

waiting for our techniclor dreamcoat billionaire to come along may prove too late.

Accept that what we have now is what we have, get behind them, support them, do not distract them from what they are doing with pointless petitions, demands for meetings that again will distract and dishearten lets stop thinking up unattainable dreams and forcing them to shift focus to appease the whingers and doubters.

These people hold the positions at our club because they are clever and shrewd business men (I dont think any of ours inherited daddys millions) but above all they are Evertonians and that is what sets them aside from anyone else. That is what makes them a little like me.

Lets have some faith !

Lets accept that change is inevitable - (without it we would all be shitting in the woods and cooking on open fires)

Stop letting our Hearts cloud our heads - Goodison holds more history than any other ground in the leauge but it has long since outgrown its utility - it is nothing more than an anchor helping to tie us in the position that we are in - time to hall the anchor in and move on to Bigger and Better--

COYB

Now I'm embarrassed for you. That was pretty poor.

The transport plan is a mess, as per the Steer Davies Gleave consultant's inability to address clearly and definitively all issues on all modes of transport and which prompted the 'top table' to appeal to supporters to help them out on it (though how supporters are going to be able to conjur up extra rolling stock and line improvements on the railways, lay down a tramway system, and deliver a fleet of buses above and beyond those available in the region for matchday use is'nt immediately clear!!!!).

And stating that 'every agency is against us' is not a worthy contribution to the debate. The owners of this club have used LCC and NWDA in the past and contributed nothing but a string of promises onm KD they couldn't or wouldn't honour. They now paint themselves into a corner of 'exclusivity' with KBC and Tesco and expect a stadium delivered on a plate without actively working with LCC and the NWDA to create an opportunity for a City based stadium.

As for these people being 'very clever and shrewd'...well, that's really not worth replying to is it?

 

[billytoffee]

Could you PLEASE read the transport documents before telling people who have actually read it that they didn't understand it? You do use the "or" there, but honestly, you still made an underhand remark that maybe people just don't understand it and that's why we don't like it.

I have read the transport documents and every thing that I can get my hands on or get access to about all aspects of Everton FC.

There ws nothing underhand about what I said - people MAY not understand it and it MAY be due to a lack of clarity or detail. this comment was not to show the transport plan to be one thing or another it was to offer a counter opinion of davek that Elstones performance was embarassing because people laughed when he mentioned transport

Yes, of course. It's everyone elses fault that we are doing poorly.

I dont think we are doing poorly - we have a top manger - some top players and a vision for the future.

Examples of where I and many others believe we have been shafted over the years were purely to illustrate the fact that in the past when faced with difficult times that we as Evertonians have always in my experince stuck together

Uh. Kenwright has been pretty succesful in the theatre world, Woods never seems to say or do anything, except support Kenwright and Earl has gone bankrupt twice.

They must have something about them to be in the position that they are !

I am neither clever enough nor have been shrewd enough in my career choice or business acumen to be in their position and for that I respect them.

Honestly, when the club can't even handle basic stuff like catering or merchandising right, why should we?

Fair one - we have a lot to learn in this dept !

Yes, change is always for the better, isn't it?

No ! - change is not always for the better - but if you sit on a pile of [Poor language removed] hoping that someone else will come along and turn it into a bed of roses for you - then do not be surprised if you are sat on a pile of [Poor language removed] for a very long time.

Change is often necessary in order to progress.

I carries with it a certain amount of risk - but at the same time it can turn out to be more rewarding than forecast. You have to try it to find out.

How would the Kirkby stadium make Everton more competitive? I've been trying to find a reason, but there seems to be only two answers:
- Because the club said so or
- It would make 10 million extra profit.

Of course the latter is false (Wyness said revenue, not profit), but even if it was true, I can't understand how 10 million extra will suddenly change everything.

10 Million is but a drop in the ocean in todays football finances - but its 10 million more than we have now - and could have made the difference in the farce of a transfer window we have just endured.

So, since you are so certain that moving is essential, I would really like to know what you base that opinion on? Could you imagine that maybe, just maybe not everyone puts the club first and themselves second?

I am pro move - my opinion is base on reading the stuff the club release to us, on discussing the issues with fellow Evertonians, on looking at other teams and to a great part on my own experiences.

25 years ago today I joined the Army - I get home and get to Goodison 2 ,3 ,or 4 times a year - often at short notice. If Everton are at home I'm there - I have always paid for my Dad to come with me and now bring my Son as well - I have lost count of the times where i have paid for [Poor language removed] seats where we have sat behind pillars etc...... you all know the score !

Now I'm embarrassed for you. That was pretty poor.

davek - dont be embarrased for me mate ! I'm quite content that my opinions are formulated on what my understanding is of whatever I am commenting on

And stating that 'every agency is against us' is not a worthy contribution to the debate.

As above - this was not meant to add value to any stadium debate - purely to illustrate another point altogether. Quite clear that you read it and it meant something different to you than it did to me - surely things like that cant happen

As for these people being 'very clever and shrewd'...well, that's really not worth replying to is it?

Again they did not get there by winning the lottery - getting daddies millions in the will or heading up serious crime syndicates ( I dont think) - It can't all be down to luck and kenwright was a [Poor language removed] actor in my opinion so they must have done something right.

Finally fellas - if you think my opinion is POOR then fine - its mine and I'm entitled to it just like you are to yours - but don't be embarassed for me or pity me, or **** me off - just accept that I am an honest hard working Evertonian who wants us to be working as one - on the field - on the terraces - and in the Ale house after.

Nil Satis Nisi Otimum - If we can afford it

 

[davek]

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Finally fellas - if you think my opinion is POOR then fine - its mine and I'm entitled to it just like you are to yours - but don't be embarassed for me or pity me, or **** me off - just accept that I am an honest hard working Evertonian who wants us to be working as one - on the field - on the terraces - and in the Ale house after.

Nil Satis Nisi Otimum - If we can afford it

Fair comment. Yours is wrong, like, but fair comment anyway.

 

[keverton]

Fair comment. Yours is wrong, like, but fair comment anyway.

What his is wrong because you say so mate :huh:. Sorry dont buy that i think that the last 3 posts which the fella has made have been spot on. Keep posting billytoffee you come across with some good arguments

 

[Makis]

I have read the transport documents and every thing that I can get my hands on or get access to about all aspects of Everton FC.

And you think people are wrong saying it looks bad?

Examples of where I and many others believe we have been shafted over the years were purely to illustrate the fact that in the past when faced with difficult times that we as Evertonians have always in my experince stuck together

I bet that if you asked any fans whether they have been treated wrongly, they'd say yes. I bet even Liverpool supporters think that.

They must have something about them to be in the position that they are !

So every businessman always know what they are doing? Why do so many go bankrupt then?

And let's not forget theatre is the only business Kenwright has been succesful. Woods made his money selling his company, didn't he? The only enterprenour of the three is Earl, a two-time bankrupt businessman who is not a fan of Everton. He is in this for the money, that much is clear.

No ! - change is not always for the better - but if you sit on a pile of [Poor language removed] hoping that someone else will come along and turn it into a bed of roses for you - then do not be surprised if you are sat on a pile of [Poor language removed] for a very long time.

First you say things are well and now we are sitting on a pile of [Poor language removed]? Which is it?

Change is often necessary in order to progress.

Making the wrong turn can have disastrous consequencs.

I carries with it a certain amount of risk - but at the same time it can turn out to be more rewarding than forecast. You have to try it to find out.

Or it could kill our club. Is it really worth taking that risk?

10 Million is but a drop in the ocean in todays football finances - but its 10 million more than we have now - and could have made the difference in the farce of a transfer window we have just endured.

I don't buy that. And as I said, the ten million is just revenue, not profit. You have to factor in increased expenditure and debt repayments.

Again they did not get there by winning the lottery - getting daddies millions in the will or heading up serious crime syndicates ( I dont think) - It can't all be down to luck and kenwright was a [Poor language removed] actor in my opinion so they must have done something right.

So you are basically saying that anyone who makes a few million is automatically a great businessman. Like all the people who made a fortune in the dot com bubble?

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Actually who's say he is wrong and you are right. To be honest there is so much coming out of the OS, other web sites, media and of course every sixpence worth from fans and goodness knows how many others. It does my head in. The fact is no decision will be made on DK from the public enquiry until early next year I understand, so until that comes out everything is in limbo.

One thing I am quite certain of is that the fans have not been given all the information by the club which is understandable to an extent, perhaps.

Out of all this what worries more is BK coming out that he can't go on, the club needs a rich new onwer. I wonder if the making of this statement now is anything to do with Green per rumour getting cosy with Mike Ashley and deserting BK.

By the way was Earl at the EGM? does anyone know?

Just a wicked PS, could we afford to buy Anfield, rename and paint it blue after all it was ours in the first place.

 

[Makis]

No, part of the agreement for the RS was that Anfield will be demolished and a park is built there.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Bloody hell it was only a joke Mate. Bit of advice nip down to Tesco or whatever chuck a few quid over and get a bottle of scotch. Have a few good gobfulls and you may feel more merry.

 

[keverton]

In all fairness mate i think Makis was just trying to answer the question cause it did come across as though you were being serious

 

[Robert Jarvis]

About us moving to Anfield, cough, splutter, cough. Oh My >>>>>>>>>>>

 

[keverton]

I'd have you banned for even joking about it, you made me spil my beer

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Did the dog lick it up?