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[Robert Jarvis]

That Coyney is the first bit of sanity on this thread, WE HAVE NOT GOT THE CASH. How many times this has to said is beyond me. DK is not utopia, not ideal, plenty of misinformation on it, transport problems, limited potential to actually increase revenue, too many strings attached to it by tesco and the local council, questionable benefit to Kirkby but it is at present the only affordable option EFC have.

Ideally it would be better to rebuild on GP site or redo GP but we do not have the money and I do not think staying at GP in it's current state is a long term viable option.

 

[Makis]

There have been alternatives (like KD) in the past. Why assume nothing better can't come up in a few years time?

 

[Robert Jarvis]

One never knows but how long can EFC wait? and even if a piece of land came up within the city limits we still need cash. After all the club has been through with Bradley and LCC can you see anything coming up? in the shape of free land.

Do you honestly think that some mega rich entity is going to come along to BK and say I'll have those shares with EFC in it's current state?

What I said in my post was building on the stuff or lack of stuff coming out of the EGM.

 

[davek]

There have been alternatives (like KD) in the past. Why assume nothing better can't come up in a few years time?

Indeed, or that new owners wont be in a better position to fund a stadium build. A wing and a prayer this public inquiry is. Tescodome is pretty much dead in the water, but what do our board propose we do? Actively pursue an alternative in it's likely scrapping? No. They just stew in their own piss repeating 'it's not ideal, but it's the best we can get if we can get away with it'. Pathetic.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

How long do you propose we wait? 5Yr? 10? Were already miles behind the front runners and waiting much longer might result in permanent damage
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[davek]

How long do you propose we wait? 5Yr? 10? Were already miles behind the front runners and waiting much longer might result in permanent damage
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We get attendances in the mid 30,000's now. We're in no danger of missing out on increases in revenue from attendances. The bigger long term damage would be a move outside the boundary into small town oblivion.

 

[TX Bill]

We get attendances in the mid 30,000's now. We're in no danger of missing out on increases in revenue from attendances. The bigger long term damage would be a move outside the boundary into small town oblivion.

You really believe that?

Give Everton FC a bit more credit than that. It would take a lot more than moving to Kirkby or another Liverpool suburb to destroy over 100 years of history.

Small town oblivion?

You're having a laugh.

 

[Makis]

One never knows but how long can EFC wait? and even if a piece of land came up within the city limits we still need cash. After all the club has been through with Bradley and LCC can you see anything coming up? in the shape of free land.

Incidentally I'm in a bit of house-moving situation myself now that there are two people and a cat living in the same apartment. But I'm not going to buy the first house I can afford, since it's such a big decision I want to be sure I get a home I will be happy with for years to come.

Everton is basically picking the first cheap home they can find.

 

[Dylan]

Incidentally I'm in a bit of house-moving situation myself now that there are two people and a cat living in the same apartment. But I'm not going to buy the first house I can afford, since it's such a big decision I want to be sure I get a home I will be happy with for years to come.

Everton is basically picking the first cheap home they can find.

Ooo, good analogy. Except you aren't moving stadiums.

And unless you are saying that the board are categorically lying to you then we have to believe that other options have been explored and or not viable for one reason or another.

 

[davek]

You really believe that?

Give Everton FC a bit more credit than that. It would take a lot more than moving to Kirkby or another Liverpool suburb to destroy over 100 years of history.

Small town oblivion?

You're having a laugh.

Well, first of all, Kirkby isn't a Liverpool suburb (and never was), it's in another borough. Second, we would be leaving behind our heritage and our place (geographically speaking) at the hub of the Merseyside connurbation in a resurgent city, in order to retreat to a small town that has suffered massive population loss and has a hinterland population of sheep and cows (and the odd sprinkling of human beings) in most directions you care to go in other than toward Liverpool. It's a franchise move in everything but name. If this was North America it would be like the New York Giants moving to some hick town in up state New York.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

Well, first of all, Kirkby isn't a Liverpool suburb (and never was), it's in another borough. Second, we would be leaving behind our heritage and our place (geographically speaking) at the hub of the Merseyside connurbation in a resurgent city, in order to retreat to a small town that has suffered massive population loss and has a hinterland population of sheep and cows (and the odd sprinkling of human beings) in most directions you care to go in other than toward Liverpool. It's a franchise move in everything but name. If this was North America it would be like the New York Giants moving to some hick town in up state New York.

What other rubbish. Were not moving to another city. Were moving just over the border to an area full of scousers. Don't forget when we moved to G.P we did exactly what were proposing we do now. I.e Moving over the border. Kirkby will become part of greater liverpool sooner rather than later. Its an inevitable political move
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[Makis]

Ooo, good analogy. Except you aren't moving stadiums.

True, I will live in this house for maybe 40 years at most while Everton will be playing in the new stadium for the next 100 years. And it's easier for me to relocate if I find I'm not happy with my new house. People move more often than football clubs, you know.

And unless you are saying that the board are categorically lying to you then we have to believe that other options have been explored and or not viable for one reason or another.

I really don't want to go through this again. The, shall we say, times the board has been econimical about the truth are numerous ("best served stadium in the NW, maybe even in the country", "effectively free" and so on).

 

[Nebbiolo]

Well, first of all, Kirkby isn't a Liverpool suburb (and never was), it's in another borough.

Culturally speaking, Kirkby is Liverpool. Geographically it is not. In saying that, it kind of reminds me of a Speke type place, on the edge, uninspiring and only just connected to the rest of the city. Not ideal in way, shape or form.

 

[davek]

What other rubbish. Were not moving to another city. Were moving just over the border to an area full of scousers. Don't forget when we moved to G.P we did exactly what were proposing we do now. I.e Moving over the border. Kirkby will become part of greater liverpool sooner rather than later. Its an inevitable political move
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Halewood, are you suggesting Knowsley Borough Council are fighting tooth and nail to poach a football club from the City of Liverpool to then, at some future date, surrender the club and themselves to Liverpool City Council? That doesn't make sense, does it?

Greater Liverpool is about as cohesive a unit as Greater Manchester...do Bolton/Bury people think of themselves as Mancs?

This would be a move that makes Everton something else entirely. Thank the Lord that it stands absolutely no chance of getting through this going-through-the-motions-keep-costs-down public inquiry.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

Halewood, are you suggesting Knowsley Borough Council are fighting tooth and nail to poach a football club from the City of Liverpool to then, at some future date, surrender the club and themselves to Liverpool City Council? That doesn't make sense, does it?

Greater Liverpool is about as cohesive a unit as Greater Manchester...do Bolton/Bury people think of themselves as Mancs?

This would be a move that makes Everton something else entirely. Thank the Lord that it stands absolutely no chance of getting through this going-through-the-motions-keep-costs-down public inquiry.

They already do it unoffically dave. Or are you really suggesting that liverpool, sefton, knowsley and wirral don't work together on big projects? Are united a manchester club by the way or in your eyes shouldn't be allowed to call themselves that?
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