Kenwright caught out again

[Bruce Wayne]

I reckon we've all become giddy with success. Everywhere I look in online toffee land people are despairing at our plight, only being in 5th place having had decent runs in a couple of cups.

Clearly Kenright is to blame for not giving recent supporters the mental toughness to withstand fallow periods. Peter Johnson was doing a much better job at toughening us up. Good hampers too.

 

[coyney]

Everyone has a price, ours just hasn't been met yet. You sound like you want him to sell the club to the first Russian that flashes his wallet. Personally I'm glad the club isn't acting like a cheap hussy that giggles at every overture.

You also have to consider that factored into any decision would be the intention of any new owner. Do you think Bill wants us dragged into a mess like the other lot?

No Bruce thats not what any one wants any buyers should be vetted.what I dont like is Kenwright making statements about 24/7 investment seeking when he has already decided against it.Its his club he has the right to do what he wants so why the need to constantly Lie to the people that put their money in week after week ,year after year all I want is honesty I'm sick of getting stick from r/s when there is no need and no I would not prefer to have our problems spread over the papers like them.

 

[coyney]

I reckon we've all become giddy with success. Everywhere I look in online toffee land people are despairing at our plight, only being in 5th place having had decent runs in a couple of cups.

Clearly Kenright is to blame for not giving recent supporters the mental toughness to withstand fallow periods. Peter Johnson was doing a much better job at toughening us up. Good hampers too.

Bruce no one was more delighted than me when Kenwright took control,but do you honestly think hes a success .He has sold every asset we have except players and Goodison which will go when we move ,which means where we owned both our ground and training ground we now rent both and I'm not going to bring up Kirkby because thats a separate issue.but from where I am I think Moyes has done a good job despite Bill rather then because of him I have no doubt Bill means well but is out of his depth.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree that I think the club could do an awful lot more in the commercial sense to increase income into the club, although I think that's probably not something that most people complain about. People complain that Kenright isn't putting millions in himself.

The sale and leaseback policy that we've employed is quite a common one. Indeed it's quite a common sense one. The whole concept of outsourcing runs on the notion that companies should focus on what they do best, and outsource other things to companies for whom that issue is a speciality. We're not a property company, we're not a retailing company, we're a football company. Doesn't it therefore make sense to outsource our property and retailing, freeing up assets to spend on football, what we're all here for?

I'm not sure on the lies you talk of. I don't follow everything he says but if he has mentioned his intention to sell but has turned down a few bids that doesn't mean he's leading us on does it? Think back to those jokers that strung us on for months. These kind of deals aren't easy to find or conclude. The vast majority of mergers and takeovers fail so I don't blame Bill for being cautious to find the right bidder.

Personally speaking I'd like to follow the lead of clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona etc. that are basically self sufficient. They have plenty of money to spend not because of wealthy backers but because they're good businesses that generate a lot of cash. I don't think we do enough commercially but that buck probably stops at Wyness rather than Kenright.

 

[coyney]

I agree that I think the club could do an awful lot more in the commercial sense to increase income into the club, although I think that's probably not something that most people complain about. People complain that Kenright isn't putting millions in himself.

The sale and leaseback policy that we've employed is quite a common one. Indeed it's quite a common sense one. The whole concept of outsourcing runs on the notion that companies should focus on what they do best, and outsource other things to companies for whom that issue is a speciality. We're not a property company, we're not a retailing company, we're a football company. Doesn't it therefore make sense to outsource our property and retailing, freeing up assets to spend on football, what we're all here for?

I'm not sure on the lies you talk of. I don't follow everything he says but if he has mentioned his intention to sell but has turned down a few bids that doesn't mean he's leading us on does it? Think back to those jokers that strung us on for months. These kind of deals aren't easy to find or conclude. The vast majority of mergers and takeovers fail so I don't blame Bill for being cautious to find the right bidder.

Personally speaking I'd like to follow the lead of clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona etc. that are basically self sufficient. They have plenty of money to spend not because of wealthy backers but because they're good businesses that generate a lot of cash. I don't think we do enough commercially but that buck probably stops at Wyness rather than Kenright.

there is a lot of what you say that I agree with Bruce but as much as I dont like Wyness and agree its his poor performances at the end of the day Bill hired him

 

[monty]

I find some of the arguments in this thread totally baffling. Some complain that this site is pro Kenwright, simple answer go to all the others that aren't and give us a break.

Can you tell me at any time anyone has come in with money, mega bucks style that will be needed to turn us into a Chelsea or the [Poor language removed] if that is what you want, no one has or will. We are in the shadow of the [Poor language removed] gentlemen a simple fact that no egalitarian entrepreneur finds attractive, Remember when Abramovich was buying Chelsea, he could have bought us for a tenth the price but chose them instead. Everton FC is not a trendy brand nor has it been since the eighties. Our one chance of salvation and you lot are wanting to kick Kenwright in the balls at the first opportunity. If it was your club would you sell to anyone. If you owned the club would you want some mystical third party vetting a prospective buyer. of course you wouldn't its a bloody nonsense.

It seems most of you have the impression that a new owner will just give the club billions of pounds to play with, it doesn't happen like that, we would be put up to our eyes in debt far greater than we have ever experienced before. That is the major attraction of Tesco, it eases an inevitable debt burden making the chance of a new stadium just about achievable.

If anyone wants to support a club that has more power struggles that Dynasty go over the park, EFC remains true to its roots with a blue at the helm and as British as it comes and long may it stay that way. We won't buy success we'll work for it

 

[Neiler]

This thread stuns me, as such i am not going to spend much time on it simply as i know the same threads were around the same time last season and i know its all feverish silly season symptomns!

At the end of last summer no one was complainging about how much was spent primarily because what was spent blew all of us out of the water. Our transfer budget has grown season on season since Kenwright took over and id like to know what evidence is there to suggest that this will change this close season? Simple fact is success will transfer into money and we have been successfull to a degree this season. Mick makes the bestpoint in this thread lets wait to moan when something actually happens rather then moaning on about what might happen.

Kenwright doesnt have the luxary of viewing the club in the short term he has to take the long term approach which with respect to him i feel he has and has done right! Because of this EFC will be around top flight football, long after the yanks, shinatawa, your man at pompey, randy learner and the other bubble gum investors who have racked up debts at other clubs will be!

Efc is maintaing its dignity and integrity by doing things. Its the everton way as Monty says and its through hard work rather then handouts! Does Nil Satis Nisi Optimum mean - who can get the biggest handout?

 

[linglong]

For me at least the sooner BK goes the better..Moyes has done well in spite of him not becuase of him but then you look at the antics going on over the road and i think maybe its better the devil you know.

 

[McBain]

Unless you're prepared to give every penny you own to the club you have no right making that kind of statement.

Thats a finishing move right there.

 

[TX Bill]

The only issue I've had with Kenwright was the whole Fortress Sports Fund affair.

I thought that was a sham from the beginning and that there was never any truth to it.

 

[coyney]

The only issue I've had with Kenwright was the whole Fortress Sports Fund affair.

I thought that was a sham from the beginning and that there was never any truth to it.

Tx thats the problem he keeps saying things then gets found out and leaves us open to stick from the r/s He has not got the cash fair enough but promising the fortress fund a obvious lie makes him look stupid and shows he has scant respect for the fans my own feeling is Moyes has improved us despite Bill rather than because of although I grant you he hired him trouble is he also hired Wyness Iv been going since 1958-59 as have a lot of others and feel our loyalty deserves the truth I would still go if we where in the conference as would most others so there is just no need to bull [Poor language removed] us

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Did he lie about Fortress? I read that situation that he thought (and wanted) them to invest, but they were jokers that messed the club about. If any crime can be labelled against him it's being over enthusiastic in going public with the news that they were interested. I suspect that has resulted in things going generally quiet on the investment front because he now only goes public when it's certain, like with the Earl deal.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

Did he lie about Fortress? I read that situation that he thought (and wanted) them to invest, but they were jokers that messed the club about. If any crime can be labelled against him it's being over enthusiastic in going public with the news that they were interested. I suspect that has resulted in things going generally quiet on the investment front because he now only goes public when it's certain, like with the Earl deal.

i don't want to offend you or be overly dismissive, but some of your posts in this thread read as though they're somewhat tongue in cheek.

 

[Welton Toffee]

For me at least the sooner BK goes the better..Moyes has done well in spite of him not becuase of him but then you look at the antics going on over the road and i think maybe its better the devil you know.

*Points to Monty's post at the bottom of the previous page.

Do yourself a favour and read it

 

[Bruce Wayne]

*Points to Monty's bottom

Do yourself a favour and fondle it, I have, it's ace

How rude