2025/26 David Moyes

[JobForTheMoyes]

Stats can be made to look however you want them to look.

At least they can 73.2% of the time.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

“Manchester United first for goals from sequences of two or fewer passes with 40”.

Everton

In the previous seven seasons, Everton scored more than three goals from sequences of at least nine passes just once — six in 2020-21 under Carlo Ancelotti. They are on five in 2025-26, showcasing the kind of build-up play few associate with them or David Moyes.

Their opener in the 3-0 win over Chelsea in March will be remembered for Beto’s deft finish, but it was the result of a nine-pass move across 29 seconds from a Vitalii Mykolenko throw-in. Michael Keane, James Tarkowski, Jake O’Brien, Idrissa Gueye and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall were all involved before James Garner set up Beto.

Only Leeds (14) have generated fewer shots from sequences beginning in the defensive third and lasting five or fewer passes than Everton’s 17. Their charge for Europe is being helped by greater composure on the ball and a quality midfield.

Moyes teams played some really good stuff towards the end of his first spell.

 

[Bluepablo]

How long do you expect the next manager to stay for? Young managers like Iraola and Glasner only seem to have around for 2/3 year anyway and would be off straight away if a better job came up. Moyes can give us at least two more season of stability/progression and hand over a strong squad to a younger successor. Martinez mark-II hopefully but better. But we need a stable base first. Changing now could set us back again.

I agree that 2 to 3 years is probably about right as they either do well & move on to ‘bigger’ clubs or fail & are ‘released’.

Moyes was at West Ham from Dec 19 to May 24, spent quite a lot (but also sold Rice) but the subsequent transition didn’t go well. I know they have issues with management similar to Kenwright but I don’t think another 2/3 years of Moyes will necessarily result in stability/progression and the handing over a strong squad.

On the other hand the Everton team he assembled prior to his departure to Man Utd would support your view.

Quite a number of the current key players will be well past their best in 2 to 3 years unfortunately so the recruitment & squad development will be crucial.

 

[Bluepablo]

SOCCERNOMICS

You are putting in far far too much work for a simple game of Football

I didn’t write it just read the summaries of key findings.

I have ordered a copy off eBay though so will give it a go.

 

[Swartzy]

I didn’t write it just read the summaries of key findings.

I have ordered a copy off eBay though so will give it a go.

Be sure to enlighten us with your findings

 

[Bluepablo]

I think most would agree that he is not the future, but the agreement would also need some context on what you class as the future.

You say he has come in and done a good job. How long can he do a good job for? I don't personalty have a time frame in mind but I am content/happy with him staying for the next couple of years, if we are seeing improvements in the whole set up, while at least finishing 5th-7th in those years. Hopefully higher, but we have to consider that shooting for the moon very rarely comes off long term. There has to be a long term plan, and there is a possibility that Moyes for 2/3/4 years is that long term sustainable plan.

If you feel we need to go for a younger manager now, then fair enough. I am not saying that this will 100% fail, I just see the risks as greater than what they would be if we considered Moyes to be a factor in sustainable growth on and off the pitch over the next few years.

Interestingly (to me anyway) if there is such a high correlation between the players wage bill & league position then I am now thinking that it doesn’t really matter who the manager is in terms of progressing consistently over a medium term.

It then comes down to increasing income to be able to pay more wages and then appointing a manager who can attract the players who are paid high wages

Some may do better or worse in individual seasons (eg Spurs at the moment) but over a medium term clubs positions will revert to their salary base.

This means it’s all about the money which I suppose we all know really & is rather depressing

 

[Bluepablo]

Be sure to enlighten us with your findings

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Interestingly (to me anyway) if there is such a high correlation between the players wage bill & league position then I am now thinking that it doesn’t really matter who the manager is in terms of progressing consistently over a medium term.

It then comes down to increasing income to be able to pay more wages and then appointing a manager who can attract the players who are paid high wages

Some may do better or worse in individual seasons (eg Spurs at the moment) but over a medium term clubs positions will revert to their salary base.

This means it’s all about the money which I suppose we all know really & is rather depressing

With the caveat that in Moyes first spell he consistently overachieved from a net spend/wages perspective so we know he can do it.

 

[kiss the crest]

These next 3 games will go along way to how fans think about how we progress or not under Moyes

Liverpool (not a good record against them)
West Ham (We should beat them, but will they want to stay in prem more than we want Europe?)
Man city (Europe now a distant memory)

Over to you Davey show us you have changed

 

[wandyr79]

Fair enough, its the financial rules which have been in place over the last few years. Profit & Sustainability.

Those clubs with massive revenue streams like City, RS, chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal are allowed to sign the top players for big fees and pay them enormous wages

We dont have the same revenue so have not been allowed to spend as much.

The way around that is typically to:

1: Sign young players and develop them like Brighton or Bournemouth. E.g Garner and Branthwaite for us.

2: Sign undervalued players like Brentford. Like Ndiaye for us.

So, to your point if you remove signing young players then your only option is to find undervalued players.

Those clubs have sold to reinvest over and over again. If we had their success in both 1 & 2 above then we could have built low cost squads to compete at the top.

Hope that clears things up why posters (like me) want to see young players signed. Not to mention its nice to watch players develop as well of course.

This summer the rules change to 85% of revenue so as you can imagine we're still way behind the curve.

Where did I say stop signing young players?

I said to have a balance in the squad. Having a good mix of older experienced players, players in their prime, players coming into their prime and the younger ones with potential. Nowhere did I exclude any section of the football player timeline.

When I see a signing for Everton, I don't consider how much they cost, how much they are earning or how much we might sell them for. I consider, can they win us something, can they add to what we have on the pitch. Don't even consider their age, some of our best signings in my lifetime have been the older players.

As mentioned, it is imperative that a squad has a good balance. You mention Brentford, they bought Henderson. There is your balance, they thought that he could add something to the squad, with no consideration for any sell on fee, it is likely that he will retire there, so they get nothing back. We have done the same last summer, we bought potential, players in their prime years and a older more experienced player (If you can consider Grealish in that category).

At this time, I think we do have a good balance. We can argue whether Moyes is using the squad in a balanced way, but there is a good age range there, with differing levels of experience hopefully helping out the non experienced.

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

Davek will be raging!

Not only raging, it will be "fake news" time.

 

[Seathestars]

These next 3 games will go along way to how fans think about how we progress or not under Moyes

Liverpool (not a good record against them)
West Ham (We should beat them, but will they want to stay in prem more than we want Europe?)
Man city (Europe now a distant memory)

Over to you Davey show us you have changed

Keep up the positivity Blue

We will beeat the and West Ham.

Draw with City

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes teams played some really good stuff towards the end of his first spell.

The 07/08 team is probably the best PL football we’ve played in my opinion. In terms of quality on the ball and controlling games, that team could just dismantle lower end prem teams at home.

 

[Neiler]

These next 3 games will go along way to how fans think about how we progress or not under Moyes

Liverpool (not a good record against them)
West Ham (We should beat them, but will they want to stay in prem more than we want Europe?)
Man city (Europe now a distant memory)

Over to you Davey show us you have changed

Think people being disappointed if we don’t get Europe shows how he has raised expectations.

If my memory is right most peiple
On here would have said they would have seen a top half finish as a good season.

I think we are definitely hoping or expecting a bit more now.

Who’d be a a manager - well maybe loads for a few million a year.

 

[Pabbers]

With the caveat that in Moyes first spell he consistently overachieved from a net spend/wages perspective so we know he can do it.

Think he slightly over-achieved, not by much though. Pretty sure our wage bill has always been top 8.