2025/26 David Moyes

Think he slightly over-achieved, not by much though. Pretty sure our wage bill has always been top 8.

Really don’t like people equating wage bill to where you should be finishing in the league. Bad players can get big contracts.
Sue mentioned in another thread Harry Winks is on £90k at Leicester - I wouldn’t pay him that in the PL let alone the championship.
 
Think people being disappointed if we don’t get Europe shows how he has raised expectations.

If my memory is right most peiple
On here would have said they would have seen a top half finish as a good season.

I think we are definitely hoping or expecting a bit more now.

Who’d be a a manager - well maybe loads for a few million a year.

Spot on this, I would have taken 10th at the start of the season....and I would probably be a little disappointed if that actually happened now.

Which proves your first point imo.

Its a mad season, as on the whole...I don't think we have been great at all, I would say we have been ok...quite steady and consistent to a point...but have benefited from poor season from those just above us.

To NOT snatch a Euro place from it now, would feel like a missed opportunity.

Feels like we have a good chance to jump ahead a couple of years here.
 
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Really don’t like people equating wage bill to where you should be finishing in the league. Bad players can get big contracts.
Sue mentioned in another thread Harry Winks is on £90k at Leicester - I wouldn’t pay him that in the PL let alone the championship.

I get what you are saying mate, but the facts over a massive period of time prove this very point, the collective wage bill does equate to league standings....not 100% all the time...and always the odd exception.

Even in each clubs wage bill, you have as many under-paid, as over-paid, so balances out.
 
I get what you are saying mate, but the facts over a massive period of time prove this very point, the collective wage bill does equate to league standings....not 100% all the time...and always the odd exception.

Even in each clubs wage bill, you have as many under-paid, as over-paid, so balances out.

You're totally ignoring the fact that most of the teams with the highest wage bills generally also have the highest transfer spends. We've never really been in that boat apart from a few years during the Moshiri clusterduck.
 
Really don’t like people equating wage bill to where you should be finishing in the league. Bad players can get big contracts.
Sue mentioned in another thread Harry Winks is on £90k at Leicester - I wouldn’t pay him that in the PL let alone the championship.
Plenty of posters wanted him here before he made that move and now he's looking at league 1
 
….couple of things I picked up from the Michael Keane podcast (posted elsewhere on here & a brilliant listen for all Evertonians. Moyes around 23mins).

-His tactical awareness surprised Keane, he didn’t think he’d be like that before working with him.
- Likes Dyche but said the improvement when Moyes came in was staggering. He told the squad we need to get through the first season and then focus on Europe. At the start of the season he started showing charts of points required to get in European spots.
- Real attention to detail, ‘2 hours on the grass’ ahead of games is really unusual but it’s what Moyes does working on set pieces and tactics.
- Coleman said Moyes was quite ‘scary’ during his first spell but is much more chilled now. He can have his moments and lets you know when he’s not happy but he’s a top bloke and ‘all the players love him’.
 
I get what you are saying mate, but the facts over a massive period of time prove this very point, the collective wage bill does equate to league standings....not 100% all the time...and always the odd exception.

Even in each clubs wage bill, you have as many under-paid, as over-paid, so balances out.
If the data provided on here for the club salaries for 2025/26 is accurate then there is not really that much in it between Bournemouth in 17th spending circa £62 million a year to Everton in 10th spending circa £78 million a year. Crystal Palace are 12th spending circa £76 million a year, West Ham 13th spending circa £74 million a year. Brighton 15th spending circa £69 million which is less than £10 million a year than Everton.

Man City top spending circa £235 million a year with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd all massively exceeding more than double the annual salary spent by Everton. Forest are 9th spending almost £10 million more than Everton a year and then the big gap really to the big 8 with Newcastle coming in at 8th spending circa £116 million - almost £40 million more than Everton a year.

Based in annual salaries Tottenham are the massive underachievers, Newcastle and Forest also performing well below their outlay. West Ham have been disappointing as well. Brentford, Bournemouth, Sunderland and Brighton are all overachieving. If you add in net spend over the past 5-6 years then Tottenham are having a truly shocking season as they have outlaid hundreds of millions more than Everton.

Based purely on annual salaries any where between 10th-13th would be a par season. But then Everton's net spend over the past 5-6 seasons will be hundreds of millions less than a lot of other teams and this is a factor that has to be considered as well.
 
There is a massive correlation between wage bill and league position.

We are a long long way behind in both that and revenue of the top clubs too. I think some people expect the new stadium to put us back in that top bracket but we are still miles off.
 
You're totally ignoring the fact that most of the teams with the highest wage bills generally also have the highest transfer spends. We've never really been in that boat apart from a few years during the Moshiri clusterduck.

I'm not ignoring it, its irrelevant to the point...the stats and what is being said here.

Transfer spend does not equate to league positions.....its very volatile and inconstant....BUT wages ARE Consistent.

Just 1 example....when the RS won the league last...they spent nothing....BUT had the highest wage-bill.
 
If the data provided on here for the club salaries for 2025/26 is accurate then there is not really that much in it between Bournemouth in 17th spending circa £62 million a year to Everton in 10th spending circa £78 million a year. Crystal Palace are 12th spending circa £76 million a year, West Ham 13th spending circa £74 million a year. Brighton 15th spending circa £69 million which is less than £10 million a year than Everton.

Man City top spending circa £235 million a year with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd all massively exceeding more than double the annual salary spent by Everton. Forest are 9th spending almost £10 million more than Everton a year and then the big gap really to the big 8 with Newcastle coming in at 8th spending circa £116 million - almost £40 million more than Everton a year.

Based in annual salaries Tottenham are the massive underachievers, Newcastle and Forest also performing well below their outlay. West Ham have been disappointing as well. Brentford, Bournemouth, Sunderland and Brighton are all overachieving. If you add in net spend over the past 5-6 years then Tottenham are having a truly shocking season as they have outlaid hundreds of millions more than Everton.

Based purely on annual salaries any where between 10th-13th would be a par season. But then Everton's net spend over the past 5-6 seasons will be hundreds of millions less than a lot of other teams and this is a factor that has to be considered as well.

Can only really judge it when the season finishes......we could well still finish 11th, West ham 12/13th, and City 1st.

Its not the ONLY thing to ever judge on, and yes we can't ignore spending and transfer etc.

All people are saying, is wages is the only real proven way to predict where teams end up in the table, that's it....its pretty much been that way since the start of prem even before that.

Now, course its not the only way to to judge a club over all, or say if they are doing well etc - Its just a guide to league placings.

Good transfer business can free up more wages.....so it can affect it.
 
I'm not ignoring it, its irrelevant to the point...the stats and what is being said here.

Transfer spend does not equate to league positions.....its very volatile and inconstant....BUT wages ARE Consistent.

Just 1 example....when the RS won the league last...they spent nothing....BUT had the highest wage-bill.

"spent nothing" and won the league. Yeah, apart from spending about 3 billion quid over the years. They spent nothing and won the league.

It's not irrelevant to the point at all. If you think what clubs spend in the market generally doesn't lead to better positions then I don't know what to say.
 
"spent nothing" and won the league. Yeah, apart from spending about 3 billion quid over the years. They spent nothing and won the league.

It's not irrelevant to the point at all. If you think what clubs spend in the market generally doesn't lead to better positions then I don't know what to say.

You are ignoring most of the point, just so you can argue.

1. If we ignore the RS spending that season....they should be finishing 1st or 2nd....based on Wage bill.

2. If we factor in the low spend THAT SEASON....then they are over-acheivinig....and should be lower in the table.

Point 1 is what we are saying that over and over and over again....has proven correct.

This is not an opinion, it a fact.

Nobody is saying we should ignore point 2....BUT it does not stack up, based on years and years of study and stats.
 
Really don’t like people equating wage bill to where you should be finishing in the league. Bad players can get big contracts.
Sue mentioned in another thread Harry Winks is on £90k at Leicester - I wouldn’t pay him that in the PL let alone the championship.

You`ve only got to look at the Tony Fernades years at QPR, to 100% see that a massive wage bill, definitely does not equate to where you should finish in the league.

It`s how the money is spent, not how much is spent.
 
You are ignoring most of the point, just so you can argue.

1. If we ignore the RS spending that season....they should be finishing 1st or 2nd....based on Wage bill.

2. If we factor in the low spend THAT SEASON....then they are over-acheivinig....and should be lower in the table.

Point 1 is what we are saying that over and over and over again....has proven correct.

This is not an opinion, it a fact.

Nobody is saying we should ignore point 2....BUT it does not stack up, based on years and years of study and stats.


No I'm not. It's a fact aided by the fact that the clubs with the highest wage bills have invested more in squads and the clubs with the lowest wage bills have spent very little in comparison.

League position in relation to wages sees fluctuations all the time, many many clubs overperform or underperform on that metric every season.

Based on years and years of study and facts, I can tell you that the 6 teams who've spent the most on transfers are Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Manchester United. That's the long term trend. Big spenders win big prizes and dominate.
 
No I'm not. It's a fact aided by the fact that the clubs with the highest wage bills have invested more in squads and the clubs with the lowest wage bills have spent very little in comparison.

League position in relation to wages sees fluctuations all the time, many many clubs overperform or underperform on that metric every season.

Based on years and years of study and facts, I can tell you that the 6 teams who've spent the most on transfers are Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Manchester United. That's the long term trend. Big spenders win big prizes and dominate.

Transfer spending does not predict league placings for the full table....as accurate as wage bill - Thats all anyone is saying.

Its just a league predictor, that's proved accurate, that's it.

The team that comes just after those you listed....is us btw, on all spending and everything, so we should finish 7th.

But we don't....we finish closer to what our wage bill suggests.
 

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