2025/26 David Moyes

[pfim]

Im not saying the 11 games to base it on Im saying the whole season. We've had good moments this season, not many at home to be fair but he still has the 11 games to make it a good season.

Just going back to saying whether hes either the right man or not- I think a trendy untested foreign manager could have been eaten up by the transition to the new stadium, expectations being raised etc. A tried and trusted manager probably wouldnt have taken the job on the back of 3 years of circling the drain.

So I stand by that hes the right manager for this period to reestablish us as not a relegation contender but a club on its way up, albeit maybe not as quick as people would want.

But what does re-establish us mean? To me it's building a base, through either the table or the squad, to kick on next season. If he thinks he can get this squad into Europe, go for it, play 4 CBs and 6 CMs. But you better get the result, otherwise you're just stunting the growth of the club.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The only things that can really alter our opinions on moyes over the last 11 games are if he finds a way to play effectively at home or if any of the younger players start to make clear and significant improvements.

Without either of those things I see little argument in favour of keeping him

Give him two decent full backs and some pace on the wing, and his preferred striker in Liam Delap and he will find a more effective way to play at home.

I don't need 11 games to know that - we've seen him do it for over a decade.

Im not saying the 11 games to base it on Im saying the whole season. We've had good moments this season, not many at home to be fair but he still has the 11 games to make it a good season.

Just going back to saying whether hes either the right man or not- I think a trendy untested foreign manager could have been eaten up by the transition to the new stadium, expectations being raised etc. A tried and trusted manager probably wouldnt have taken the job on the back of 3 years of circling the drain.

So I stand by that hes the right manager for this period to reestablish us as not a relegation contender but a club on its way up, albeit maybe not as quick as people would want.

You are mate, even if inadvertently. You've said he's the right man for now, but lets check again in 11 games. If it was any other manager than David Moyes I wouldn't hang so much on that, but 11 games isn't, or shouldn't change anything, really. Especially against a backdrop of patience/long term build argument.

He has the micknick 'board of approval' - I think you think he needs to go, but dont have the heart to say it.

I think we've had our pragmatism while we waited for new owners, without a pot to piss in and pending a new stadium. Relegation was a fear years ago, but the last 2 years we've been 20+ points clear, closer to europe than relegation and now, we had money to spend. Why are we clinging on to that fear like a pissy blanket? I think the summer was the opportunity to put a bolt of energy through the club but instead we looked backwards.

 

[blueboy72]

I think you both underestimate the pressure a new manager would be under to get results and the chances are they would also revert to similar tactics if they had the two worst full backs in the league and Barry/Beto up top.

Iraola is touted by many on here as a replacement but his Bournemouth side produced the most Dyche like performance against us when we went down to 10 men a few weeks ago.

People say they're fine finishing lower down the league next season but that's very easy to say now.

Bournemouth lost 4 of their best players this year to PSG, Madrid Liverpool and city for over 200mil. Dyche like performance? Really. Didn’t he thrown on an extra forward on at 1-0 down. I believe that was in the 58th minute and had 2x 19yr olds forwards on, at the same time while Moyes was trying to make a a defensive sub. Bournemouth have scored 43 goals to our 29 and sit above us in the table. To try and make out he sets up
Like dyche is embarrassing and you need to drop the agenda

 

[ToffeeTim]

Give him two decent full backs and some pace on the wing, and his preferred striker in Liam Delap and he will find a more effective way to play at home.

I don't need 11 games to know that - we've seen him do it for over a decade.



You are mate, even it inadvertently. You've said he's the right man for now, but lets check again in 11 games. If it was any other manager than David Moyes I wouldn't hang so much on that, but 11 games isn't, or shouldn't change anything, really. Especially against a backdrop of patience/long term build argument.

He has the micknick 'board of approval' - I think you think he needs to go, but dont have the heart to say it.

I think we've had our pragmatism while we waited for new owners, without a pot to piss in and a new stadium. Relegation was a fear years ago, but the last 2 years we've been 20+ points clear, closer to europe than relegation and now, we had money to spend. I think the summer was the opportunity to put a bolt of energy through the club but instead we looked backwards.

My question would be why were full backs not prioritised last summer. I dont know who is to blame for it but it makes no sense. And even now he has almost a fully fit squad but is insistent on playing out of position players at full back. I'm not saying we have good full backs because we have bad full backs. But at least we get balance with players in natural positions and don't have to play our better players like Garner and Branthwaite out of position.

Moyes clearly wants as many tall and physical players in his team as possible and seems happy to lose balance in doing that. I think he's tactically getting it wrong as well as having poor options.

 

[preposterousvelios]

It's frustrating because I do believe that he's created a good culture in the dressing room, and that most of the players (maybe not Aznou and Dibling) really like him.

We've 10 games left of the season though and I don't think he's played our best 11 once. It's just not good enough, and has only gotten worse as the season goes on. Was hoping he might show some killer instinct to drag us over the line and into Europe but its been the opposite. All he's shown is that if the stakes are raised he will actually double down on his safety first approach.

Don't think it suits these players, our strengths and more generally don't think that you can succeed in a meaningful way in this league playing like that when you look at how competitive it is getting into that top 7.

 

[micknick]

But hasn't Moyes kinda been 'eaten up' in a way? The away form has saved him big time, which he deserves credit for btw, we've just been shocking levels of bad at home for most of the season

The thing is if we were still at Goodison I would agree with you. History has shown us time and again that any club thats moves to a new stadium the results particularly in the first year are patchy at best. We are just another stat that reaffirms that.

 

[dannyboy]

Bournemouth lost 4 of their best players this year to PSG, Madrid Liverpool and city for over 200mil. Dyche like performance? Really. Didn’t he thrown on an extra forward on at 1-0 down. I believe that was in the 58th minute and had 2x 19yr olds forwards on, at the same time while Moyes was trying to make a a defensive sub. Bournemouth have scored 43 goals to our 29 and sit above us in the table. To try and make out he sets up
Like dyche is embarrassing and you need to drop the agenda

All I'm saying is that night they looked terrible when we went down to 10 men but did what they needed to do to get 3 points.

Honestly, the debate about the manager is all a much of a muchness for me. Better players are far more important. Until we do that we're basically quibbling over a few places in mid table.

 

[micknick]

But what does re-establish us mean? To me it's building a base, through either the table or the squad, to kick on next season. If he thinks he can get this squad into Europe, go for it, play 4 CBs and 6 CMs. But you better get the result, otherwise you're just stunting the growth of the club.

We have signed a lot of young players who have promise. Ok they arent being played as much as we hope but finishing in the top half and some of these players getting minutes to hopefully make more of an impact is providing a base surely?

 

[MikeH72]

All I'm saying is that night they looked terrible when we went down to 10 men but did what they needed to do to get 3 points.

Honestly, the debate about the manager is all a much of a muchness for me. Better players are far more important. Until we do that we're basically quibbling over a few places in mid table.

How are we supposed to get these better players when Moyes has apparently been vetoing anyone who’s not 6”4’ and played in the Premier League for 5 years?

 

[micknick]

Give him two decent full backs and some pace on the wing, and his preferred striker in Liam Delap and he will find a more effective way to play at home.

I don't need 11 games to know that - we've seen him do it for over a decade.



You are mate, even it inadvertently. You've said he's the right man for now, but lets check again in 11 games. If it was any other manager than David Moyes I wouldn't hang so much on that, but 11 games isn't, or shouldn't change anything, really. Especially against a backdrop of patience/long term build argument.

He has the micknick 'board of approval' - I think you think he needs to go, but dont have the heart to say it.

I think we've had our pragmatism while we waited for new owners, without a pot to piss in and pending a new stadium. Relegation was a fear years ago, but the last 2 years we've been 20+ points clear, closer to europe than relegation and now, we had money to spend. Why are we clinging on to that fear like a pissy blanket? I think the summer was the opportunity to put a bolt of energy through the club but instead we looked backwards.

Ok Im going to change it to 'lets asses it at the end of the season'

 

[Ruairi77]

He's messing up simple choices.
Garner did great at RB
but the question is does Garner start in place of Patterson at RB or Gana in midfield.
Gana has bee off form since AfCon so he's the obvious one to drop.
Myko hasnt been great but is he worth dropping and needing Keane in the middle of the defence.
George has more experience than Armstrong and is actually a winger, why start Armstrong out of position.
Thats three obvious mistakes on Moyses part and he made no effort to change things till the 68th minute.
If we win, I say 'fairplay, good call' but we didnt.
And the continued omission of Rohl is baffling.
And everyone knows he'll never drop Tark for O'Brien

At the moment our best XI is
Pickford
Patterson, tark (replaced by Jake when he's back), Jarrad, Myko
Garner, KDB, Tim/Rohl
Ndiaye, Barry, George

 

[willo30]

This run wouldn't be so bad if you add a few wins to it, eh Sean?

I take it you didn't read the prior posts, obviously not.

To give it context people want Moyes out for losing games at home. If we hadn't lost them games we could have been 4th so essentially people are wanting Moyes out because he doesn't have us in 4th.

 

[Mr Mig]

Some of the comments here are totally baffling. Those making excuses for Moyes are actually part of the problem. His outdated thinking will only disappear when he is binned off. Then we can try again to be better

 

[SJB]

I watched it with my own two eyes with 52,000 others - we really weren't "all over them". A lot of huffing and puffing, corners with rugby-style scrummages and one rocket from outside the box. We tried to take the game to them, but the quality is severely lacking, as is a coherent style of play. United were as poor as us but you felt if they got a chance they'd score....and they did. We played like the away team at home, the home where we haven't won in seven games. We can, and did, applaud effort but we should expect a little bit more surely?

So did I. We were camped in their half for most of the second half, they were relying on break aways. I don't think effort was lacking at all, I agree that quality was. I think it was quite telling that the crowd were so much behind the team last night and stand by my original comment that we've performed much worse at home this season.

 

[NeilMorepies]

@NeilMorepies predicting 13th to 17th, he must be thinking Moyes is doing an incredible job.

Two points above 13th and dropping like a stone.
Is your passport not looking a bit redundant for next season?