New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Billy Dean]

According to the athletic, Leeds under Kinnear have also been operating without a DOF. They have a head of strategy, a head of ops and a head of trading all reporting to Kinnear. Could imagine we’ll have something similar here with Moyes making up the transfer committee. I’d imagine Moyes’ voice would be the heaviest but would hope the rest of them would not simply be yes men

 

[msb]

Coming along nicely, not just appointing apparent quality, but taking care of debt in a way that is sustainable for the club.

Quiet competence appears to have landed.

 

[brieverton]

I understand why they're going this way to cover the short-term. There has and will be huge change and a need to have a group of people working together under the co-ordination of Moyes and the new CEO when he arrives. The summer window is short and a lot of work to do.

Equally though, it does seem very dependent on Moyes. The longer he stays, the better we are doing but TFG have shown themselves to be demanding and fickle with managers. In a scenario where God forbid, next season turned out to be disappointing and underwhelming, and they want to make a change, then it seems the whole dynamic starts over without him.

If Rob Newman comes in for example, I don't see his position being independent of Moyes. Like McKinlay and Irvine, they all leave if Moyes leaves I imagine.

As someone who thought that on balance, it was better to let Thelwell go, I think I've revised that position and perhaps his departure is unduly harsh. Undoubtedly Moyes' opinion has come to bear there. It gives a huge degree of power to an incumbent manager.

Whilst the transfer business is progressing in the summer, I hope that Kinnear can also start to take a more medium term view and look at how the structures need to evolve to meet our needs.

It seems like a horses for courses approach given a particular set of circumstances for this summer - and that's fine - but football changes very quickly and I hope they are thinking strategically and several moves ahead. That will be Kinnear's job.

 

[WA Toffee]

The structure will be this in the football Dept - there will be a CEO, Moyes, a head of football operations and head of recruitment. The first two are self explanatory and the other two will be satellites to the first two.

The head of football operations will manage operationally the likes of S&C, medical and Allied Heath, Performance Data etc. etc. Head of recruitment will operationally manage the scouting network, player data, loan management etc.

All four will operationally are likely to have an input operationally in the terms of future planning and recruitment etc - but with overall authority going to Moyes and the CEO - with checks and balance at board level.

If im being completely honest, i do probably prefer that autocratic structure overall as opposed to a DOF model - which as a structure in this organization culturally has never worked, the point ive been making however is a critique of the autocratic operation model we've gone for - it is dependent on the competency of the keystone individual involved - Moyes in this case - but that dependency creates risks in transition when you loose your manager and Moyes is in the twilight of his career. Therefore i do think we have shown a huge amount of surprising faith in him and the structure in terms of sustainability and longevity going into the future.

It will be very hard to transition in 3-5 years time away from Moyes as a key stone of the structure.

Im surprised we've gone this way.

I think we are trying to do with Moyes what Villa did with Emery. Hes in total control at Villa and its borne fruit. But again its where do Villa go after Emery, like where do everton go after Moyes.

You keep mentioning keystones and how everything could fall apart when Moyes leaves.

But what is an alternative structure that doesn't depend on one person being particularly good at their job?

 

[Neiler]

You keep mentioning keystones and how everything could fall apart when Moyes leaves.

But what is an alternative structure that doesn't depend on one person being particularly good at their job?

The DOF/Head Coach model.

Head coaches are interchangeable that's the most popular structure in football. The coach has influence but limited in the likes of recruitment and strategy and reports to the DOF - checks and balances lie there.

The theory is when the coach leaves the club doesn't do a Utd after Ferguson for example - nor is the overall club strategy impacted significantly - think Chelsea.

 

[devon_blue]

The DOF/Head Coach model.

Head coaches are interchangeable that's the most popular structure in football. The coach has influence but limited in the likes of recruitment and strategy and reports to the DOF - checks and balances lie there.

The theory is when the coach leaves the club doesn't do a Utd after Ferguson for example - nor is the overall club strategy impacted significantly - think Chelsea.

Tbf the athletic article suggests the Leeds model will be implemented with senior personnel for recruitment, player trading, strategy and ops working with the manager - so a team of five reporting to CEO.

This implies an infrastructure that will remain in place, with roles being replaced as required. I think the expectations that all will leave should Moyes depart are unfounded, with the exception of coaching staff perhaps.

I don’t know enough about Leeds to say for sure this is the case but it has been noticeable how consistently good their recruitment and player trading has been since their return to premier league and since. Plenty of reasons for cautious optimism imo.

We’ll find out I guess , I’m looking forward to seeing what happens. The wolves presser also gave me hope re Moyes ambitions for squad quality. Didn’t pull any punches re expectations for loan and peripheral players. Very clear.

 

[davek]

I understand why they're going this way to cover the short-term. There has and will be huge change and a need to have a group of people working together under the co-ordination of Moyes and the new CEO when he arrives. The summer window is short and a lot of work to do.

Equally though, it does seem very dependent on Moyes. The longer he stays, the better we are doing but TFG have shown themselves to be demanding and fickle with managers. In a scenario where God forbid, next season turned out to be disappointing and underwhelming, and they want to make a change, then it seems the whole dynamic starts over without him.

If Rob Newman comes in for example, I don't see his position being independent of Moyes. Like McKinlay and Irvine, they all leave if Moyes leaves I imagine.

As someone who thought that on balance, it was better to let Thelwell go, I think I've revised that position and perhaps his departure is unduly harsh. Undoubtedly Moyes' opinion has come to bear there. It gives a huge degree of power to an incumbent manager.

Whilst the transfer business is progressing in the summer, I hope that Kinnear can also start to take a more medium term view and look at how the structures need to evolve to meet our needs.

It seems like a horses for courses approach given a particular set of circumstances for this summer - and that's fine - but football changes very quickly and I hope they are thinking strategically and several moves ahead. That will be Kinnear's job.

Make no mistake about it, we've reverted back to the way decisions were made before Moshiri got here and we now have a strong minded manager in charge of all football decisions.

Moyes has organised a coup here.

We better hope that he can still do his thing in the transfer market and he's still on top of his game in that respect. It's been a long time since he had total control of a club and there are dangers here if he's lost his mojo on that score.

 

[matty1878]

Yeah like today’s news I didn’t tweet and report on yesterday. Weird agenda you have.

i have no agenda what so ever

i dont have twitter so if you do post before hand i dont see it mate

 

[MisterJ]

Ive been and am his biggest fan on here.

But they are putting a hell of a lot of faith in Moyes.

So far, their faith is justified

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Make no mistake about it, we've reverted back to the way decisions were made before Moshiri got here and we now have a strong minded manager in charge of all football decisions.

Moyes has organised a coup here.

We better hope that he can still do his thing in the transfer market and he's still on top of his game in that respect. It's been a long time since he had total control of a club and there are dangers here if he's lost his mojo on that score.

Moyes has got himself into a strong position,that cant be denied.

I think we all need to wait and see what this actual recruitment system we're going to implement looks like.

A few poster seems to this it's cut dry and he's going to be doing the whole lot...that's impossible in today games.

I think if anything he may try and tailor the recruitment team to suit how he works and they possibly may get their remit from him in terms of what profile he wants

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes has got himself into a strong position,that cant be denied.

I think we all need to wait and see what this actual recruitment system we're going to implement looks like.

A few poster seems to this it's cut dry and he's going to be doing the whole lot...that's impossible in today games.

I think if anything he may try and tailor the recruitment team to suit how he works and they possibly may get their remit from him in terms of what profile he wants

Also any potential future environment post Moyes will not look like it did in 2013.

In 2013 he effectively took the whole operation with him and Elstone went at a similar time. It left BK who promoted DBB from the charity who both probably just tried on Moyes for every decision. All of our infrastructure was reliant on the manager.

We’ll hopefully have a far stronger board and executive team this time so whenever we do move on from Moyes (hopefully not for a while) then we shouldn’t see the implosion of the club again.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Also any potential future environment post Moyes will not look like it did in 2013.

In 2013 he effectively took the whole operation with him and Elstone went at a similar time. It left BK who promoted DBB from the charity who both probably just tried on Moyes for every decision. All of our infrastructure was reliant on the manager.

We’ll hopefully have a far stronger board and executive team this time so whenever we do move on from Moyes (hopefully not for a while) then we shouldn’t see the implosion of the club again.

Absolutely mate.

One thing I will say while Moyes will have bought himself some credit with TFG they will still want to see value for money on the pitch.

And if not heads will roll...an then that's where you give credence to the calls for an actual DOF instead of it being manager led.

I can genuinely see both sides of the argument but just in my extremely humble opinion,if a manager is to live die by his results on the pitch,those 11 players should be the ones he's signed.

 

[Neiler]

Tbf the athletic article suggests the Leeds model will be implemented with senior personnel for recruitment, player trading, strategy and ops working with the manager - so a team of five reporting to CEO.

This implies an infrastructure that will remain in place, with roles being replaced as required. I think the expectations that all will leave should Moyes depart are unfounded, with the exception of coaching staff perhaps.

I don’t know enough about Leeds to say for sure this is the case but it has been noticeable how consistently good their recruitment and player trading has been since their return to premier league and since. Plenty of reasons for cautious optimism imo.

We’ll find out I guess , I’m looking forward to seeing what happens. The wolves presser also gave me hope re Moyes ambitions for squad quality. Didn’t pull any punches re expectations for loan and peripheral players. Very clear.

Think it’s essentially Moyes + helpers mate when we cut out the fancy titles.

 

[brieverton]

The appointment of a Group Football CEO by TFG in Beeston will likely also have a bearing on future strategy and continuity / contingency planning.

There is scope there for Beeston to take a detached, top-down view of Everton operations with Kinnear reporting into him.

Nothing surprises me in football and you can't bank on people taking decisions in a rational, logical way but you would surely think with the way the new model seems to be looking in theory, that they will address succession planning and longer term evolution.

You can see how things will work for the first team and players ready for that now. I guess my question would be whom within the new structure is there to approve some 20 year playing in Belgium who isn't near ready yet but gets great scouting reports and can be picked up now for £8m and sent on loan.

If they have factored that type of signing in, and such types are essential in a good player trading model, then it will be fine. You'd wonder who gives final approval though - Moyes, the Head of Recruitment, or someone else. If it's Moyes then it seems to me his remit is just too broad and takes from his priorities elsewhere.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

But we have had plenty of Kroldrup's, Beatties and Bilyaletdinovs.

Erm, we've had 1 of each. Also, the above mentioned were not as bad as some we've had between moyes spells. Maybe with the exception of koldrup. Also remember, Moyes didn't have the initial blank cheque book moshiri gave after he left. Just want to mention Pienaar Cahill and Coleman....he has an eye for a player and appears not to just buy for the sake of it.