New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

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catcherintherye said:
I mean the counter may be that he actually left a very well run. The training ground has been rebuilt. A very strong academy group was about to emerge, the academy more broadly was in good shape. There was a good scouting network as well, for both young and senior players.

We had a good, well balanced squad and decent coaches/senior pros left. There was a strong, clear identity within the club. It was a very good foundation to build on, which we ultimately didn't do.

I always felt that the more of what he left got gutted, the further away we got.

But for me, Everton in 2012/2013 was in a good situation to be taken on. This will sound weird, but I actually think on some ways he built a structure that times almost showed up some of his limitations as a coach.
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It’s not really a counter mate, it’s kind of my point, he was the dominating figure at the football club, top to bottom, the job will be done well - but autocratically, but it’s the vacuum that’s created when that key stone eventually leaves as the structure is dependent on it.

I guess I’m overall surprised we are going to put this much faith in him again at this stage of his career in terms of sustainability and longevity. I guess were im concerned is that I don’t see him going beyond another five years here, then I see a vacuum if we go with what seems an autocratic structure. I assumed we would have more of a collaborative, shared and future proofed structure in terms authority, decision making and longevity.

It’s a lot of faith to put in someone to build a structure around someone in their last job in football in the latter what 5 years of their career.

Really we never recovered from him leaving the first time fundamentally.
 
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windymiller said:
I don't really care about Thelwell going, although I don't subscribe to the idea that he was terrible. I think it's exceptionally difficult to tell given the circumstances. I'm also not opposed to having a system that differs from the DoF model either. What I am opposed to is a system that affords too much power to the incumbent manager, no matter who that is. That leads to the sort of issues we've been dealing with for the past few years. There needs to be someone, or some group of people, who are in charge of recruitment with the long term sustainability of the squad as their goal, not acquiescing to the whims of the manager of the day.

Managers come and managers go, when they go we shouldn't be looking at complete rebuilds every time. We've all seen the madness that results from that approach. We should decide what sort of football we want to play and then everything should be geared around that. Recruitment of managers, recruitment of players, age group football, everything, all serving that central mission. In my opinion, it's the only way to have stability and, hopefully, progress at a football club in the modern era. No more flitting from tiki taki to hoofball and back again. That starts above the manager.
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Well tbf, I'd say the bigger problem with recruitment hasn't just been the managers like you mention, it's been Moshiri and Kenwright meddling and signing their own players, then DoFs been as weak as piss and not setting the laws within the club AND STILL then signing the players they want, then having worse and worse managers having their own pick

Managers have come and gone, but Moshiri, Kenwright, Walsh, Brands, Thelwell have all been here, doing their own thing as well and never in tandem as a team

Moshiri and Kenwirght have gone, there's instantly a massive improvement. Then let's hope TFG put a team in place that brings stability and not the kind of indecision, rashness, stop start, stop gap, off the cuff inexcusable stupidity that has ripped this club apart the last 30 years.
 

Neiler said:
It’s not really a counter mate, it’s kind of my point, he was the dominating figure at the football club, top to bottom, the job will be done well - but autocratically, but it’s the vacuum that’s created when that key stone eventually leaves as the structure is dependent on it.

I guess I’m overall surprised we are going to put this much faith in him again at this stage of his career in terms of sustainability and longevity. I guess were im concerned is that I don’t see him going beyond another five years here, then I see a vacuum if we go with what seems an autocratic structure. I assumed we would have more of a collaborative, shared and future proofed structure in terms authority, decision making and longevity.

It’s a lot of faith to put in someone to build a structure around someone in their last job in football in the latter what 5 years of their career.

Really we never recovered from him leaving the first time fundamentally.
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Yes fair points. Let me try and be a bit clearer.

I suppose our decline was really down to our own stupidity. We went for a wholly different style, and probably not a very good manager in Martinez. We then had an ownership in, who developed a completely different approach and radically shifted from the guiding principles he left.

Essentially we flopped under Moyes because of total stupidity. But even with that stupidity, the system he left was still quite resilient.

The argument may be, with better owners, in my view better personnel around the club and more money available the opportunity to maintaince performance should be higher.

I always felt after Moyes, an internal type hire would have made more sense. I know Weir was close to a role who could have been good. I think we might see more strong coaches coming in too. I also wonder if Moyes may "upstairs" but have a role in club building.

The TLDR bit is that we messed up post Moyes, because BK/FM were inept. I think TFG are far more astute than them, and indeed may be more astute than a lot of their peers.
 
maccavennie said:
Well tbf, I'd say the bigger problem with recruitment hasn't just been the managers like you mention, it's been Moshiri and Kenwright meddling and signing their own players, then DoFs been as weak as piss and not setting the laws within the club AND STILL then signing the players they want, then having worse and worse managers having their own pick

Managers have come and gone, but Moshiri, Kenwright, Walsh, Brands, Thelwell have all been here, doing their own thing as well and never in tandem as a team

Moshiri and Kenwirght have gone, there's instantly a massive improvement. Then let's hope TFG put a team in place that brings stability and not the kind of indecision, rashness, stop start, stop gap, off the cuff inexcusable stupidity that has ripped this club apart the last 30 years.
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Let's hope so. All I'm saying is that it is too soon to make any definitive judgements. If Moshiri's disastrous reign has taught us anything, it's surely to exercise caution with the bosses.
 
Very early days but first few signs are positive.

The refinancing of the stadium loan is absolutely huge for the club. Let’s see us crank up the commercial revenue now whilst we’ve reduced costs and have more coming in from the stadium.

Funnel all the extra cash into players for Moyes.

I want to see us back at the top now we’ve come through the dark days of Moshiri and PS&R.
 
ClausThomsen said:
What potential good info? Someone posting online that Everton might be signing someone before it's made official or releasing team-sheets 5 minutes before they'd be out anyway?

Never seen the point of any of it.
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Not necessarily from bobble, just in general, the second someone Genuinely gets a constant streak of info the jealousy kicks in. Seem it so many times.
 

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