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Kev this was just an occasional visit in the Old Lady's final season for me.

Honestly I don't know how you and @Val P can watch that rubbish every other week.

As I jogged up to Kirkdale I consoled myself that the decision to give up my ST was correct.

Bloody sad the depths to which Everton have been brought.
Forgive my middle of the night can’t sleep ramblings. I have given this a lot of thought - why do I go? Is it a habit, is it hope that one day the stars will align and we’ll have the perfect combination of a decent manager, a half decent team and the bit of luck that escapes us so often. Does the few moments of pure joy when we score and win a game make up for the weeks of utter dross? Is it because as a so called supporter of a team I feel the need not to be just a fair weather fan? I just don’t know.
I know that I go because of my husband and that he would be disappointed if I didn’t and I feel like I’m supporting him, and I enjoy the time that it gives us to spend with our son. I know that this season I have almost given up but the desire to have a place at Bramley Moore has kept me going. I enjoy the friendships and the people I have met because of Everton (being on here being a great example of this), and especially the laughs and memories it gives me.
I just hope that one day soon I can say I go because the football is amazing, but being an Evertonian is so much more than that, and going to the game and supporting my team is just what I have to do.
 

Forgive my middle of the night can’t sleep ramblings. I have given this a lot of thought - why do I go? Is it a habit, is it hope that one day the stars will align and we’ll have the perfect combination of a decent manager, a half decent team and the bit of luck that escapes us so often. Does the few moments of pure joy when we score and win a game make up for the weeks of utter dross? Is it because as a so called supporter of a team I feel the need not to be just a fair weather fan? I just don’t know.
I know that I go because of my husband and that he would be disappointed if I didn’t and I feel like I’m supporting him, and I enjoy the time that it gives us to spend with our son. I know that this season I have almost given up but the desire to have a place at Bramley Moore has kept me going. I enjoy the friendships and the people I have met because of Everton (being on here being a great example of this), and especially the laughs and memories it gives me.
I just hope that one day soon I can say I go because the football is amazing, but being an Evertonian is so much more than that, and going to the game and supporting my team is just what I have to do.
I loved your post Val and those were all the issues that I wrestled with, although less eloquently, when I decided to give up.my season ticket.

The best bit about going for me was meeting my mates and having a beer and a laugh before the game , in the end it became habitual and the football just got in the way.

I'm absolutely sure that if I was going with or meeting family I would have felt differently and continued. In fact that's exactly the experience of my friend who lent me his ST and was down in London. He , like you , has been going for decades and uses goeing to the match as an opportunity to meet up with his extended family.

In many respects I'm sure this decision not to go the game does make me "less of a fan " but I simply can't alter the way I feel. Although it wasn't an economic decision for me ( I'm in the privileged position of being able to afford a ST if I wanted one ) I couldn't justify it to myself given that I was enjoying the football so little.

For me , and I appreciate that this is a very personal thing , my enjoyment of football generally and Everton in particular has diminished as I get older.

Yesterday I still found myself screaming at Doucoure when he gives possession away that leads to a goal ( some things never change ) and at Mykolenko ( amongst others ) when he can't cross a ball without any pressure but as soon as the final whistle went that was it for me. I wasn't that bothered. Years ago a result and performance like that would wreck the weekend.

When I got home Mrs J expected me to be annoyed but I wasn't. "What if they go down ?" she asked . " They probably deserve it " was my reply. If , God forbid, that happened then I would be sad but it sure as hell wouldn't wreck my summer.

I'm not sure I will every get to the point of @Barnfred 55 who used to go to every game and now genuinely doesn't know who we are playing from week to week and only looks at the results some time later but I can understand why he's like that.

You are absolutely right supporting Everton is much more than results and performances. And as I walked up Spellow Lane for one of the last times it was with great pride that I saw the Everton free school and the EITC buildings . Denise should have stayed in that role, she was very good at it. However my counter balance is seeing massively overpaid footballers and managers deliver up crap like yesterday and not seem to be that bothered. Dyche on £5 million p a and all he offers are the usual platitudes and excuses and the " it's everyone's fault but me".

So, it's a personal thing , I have great respect for people like you and @kev who go week in week out but it's just not for me anymore .

Of course I want Everton to do well. I loved going to Goodison for what might be one last game but I don't like what football generally has become - a game dominated by finance .

People will say it's always been that way and under Moore's we were the Mersey millionaires, but it's different now.

In the past a relatively poor club like QPR or Ipswich could get promoted and still be challenging for top spot. Now you now ( fortunately for us ) that it's a virtual certainty that the 3 promoted teams will get relegated.

I also find , again in general, the type of football played nowadays to be turgid and one dimensional . I can't remember the last time I was excited watching a match .

So, there you have it. Going to the game isn't something that I miss, yesterday reaffirmed that. Fortunately Goodison was sold out so very many people feel differently to me and continue to care for more deeply than me. In some ways that's a personal sadness but in other ways it's an emotional release to enable me to do other things that give me greater pleasure.
 
I loved your post Val and those were all the issues that I wrestled with, although less eloquently, when I decided to give up.my season ticket.

The best bit about going for me was meeting my mates and having a beer and a laugh before the game , in the end it became habitual and the football just got in the way.

I'm absolutely sure that if I was going with or meeting family I would have felt differently and continued. In fact that's exactly the experience of my friend who lent me his ST and was down in London. He , like you , has been going for decades and uses goeing to the match as an opportunity to meet up with his extended family.

In many respects I'm sure this decision not to go the game does make me "less of a fan " but I simply can't alter the way I feel. Although it wasn't an economic decision for me ( I'm in the privileged position of being able to afford a ST if I wanted one ) I couldn't justify it to myself given that I was enjoying the football so little.

For me , and I appreciate that this is a very personal thing , my enjoyment of football generally and Everton in particular has diminished as I get older.

Yesterday I still found myself screaming at Doucoure when he gives possession away that leads to a goal ( some things never change ) and at Mykolenko ( amongst others ) when he can't cross a ball without any pressure but as soon as the final whistle went that was it for me. I wasn't that bothered. Years ago a result and performance like that would wreck the weekend.

When I got home Mrs J expected me to be annoyed but I wasn't. "What if they go down ?" she asked . " They probably deserve it " was my reply. If , God forbid, that happened then I would be sad but it sure as hell wouldn't wreck my summer.

I'm not sure I will every get to the point of @Barnfred 55 who used to go to every game and now genuinely doesn't know who we are playing from week to week and only looks at the results some time later but I can understand why he's like that.

You are absolutely right supporting Everton is much more than results and performances. And as I walked up Spellow Lane for one of the last times it was with great pride that I saw the Everton free school and the EITC buildings . Denise should have stayed in that role, she was very good at it. However my counter balance is seeing massively overpaid footballers and managers deliver up crap like yesterday and not seem to be that bothered. Dyche on £5 million p a and all he offers are the usual platitudes and excuses and the " it's everyone's fault but me".

So, it's a personal thing , I have great respect for people like you and @kev who go week in week out but it's just not for me anymore .

Of course I want Everton to do well. I loved going to Goodison for what might be one last game but I don't like what football generally has become - a game dominated by finance .

People will say it's always been that way and under Moore's we were the Mersey millionaires, but it's different now.

In the past a relatively poor club like QPR or Ipswich could get promoted and still be challenging for top spot. Now you now ( fortunately for us ) that it's a virtual certainty that the 3 promoted teams will get relegated.

I also find , again in general, the type of football played nowadays to be turgid and one dimensional . I can't remember the last time I was excited watching a match .

So, there you have it. Going to the game isn't something that I miss, yesterday reaffirmed that. Fortunately Goodison was sold out so very many people feel differently to me and continue to care for more deeply than me. In some ways that's a personal sadness but in other ways it's an emotional release to enable me to do other things that give me greater pleasure.
I understand what you mean 100% and I absolutely get where you are coming from. Sometimes I wonder how far away I from being exactly like that myself. Like you say, it would almost be like a release from a toxic relationship. I don’t think it makes you any less of a fan tbh, though, we all have our different reasons and motivations for calling ourselves Evertonians and that’s what makes it interesting and keeps the discussions flowing.
 
Well a piece of good news today, all week we’ve been giving Kay exercises up and down two steps along the hallway. So this evening we tried her out on the main staircase and she managed to go up it without any assistance (obv we were front and back just in case). We then turned her around and while she had a bit of reticence taking the first step down (with assistance )she then managed (slowly) to come down on her own, again with my son and I front and back. I am really pleased with the progress she has made over the last couple of days, and again the bed and nightclothes also remained dry. I just wish Dyche and his players could make relatively similar progress….
So pleased to hear of Kay’s progress. Long may it continue.💙
 

I loved your post Val and those were all the issues that I wrestled with, although less eloquently, when I decided to give up.my season ticket.

The best bit about going for me was meeting my mates and having a beer and a laugh before the game , in the end it became habitual and the football just got in the way.

I'm absolutely sure that if I was going with or meeting family I would have felt differently and continued. In fact that's exactly the experience of my friend who lent me his ST and was down in London. He , like you , has been going for decades and uses goeing to the match as an opportunity to meet up with his extended family.

In many respects I'm sure this decision not to go the game does make me "less of a fan " but I simply can't alter the way I feel. Although it wasn't an economic decision for me ( I'm in the privileged position of being able to afford a ST if I wanted one ) I couldn't justify it to myself given that I was enjoying the football so little.

For me , and I appreciate that this is a very personal thing , my enjoyment of football generally and Everton in particular has diminished as I get older.

Yesterday I still found myself screaming at Doucoure when he gives possession away that leads to a goal ( some things never change ) and at Mykolenko ( amongst others ) when he can't cross a ball without any pressure but as soon as the final whistle went that was it for me. I wasn't that bothered. Years ago a result and performance like that would wreck the weekend.

When I got home Mrs J expected me to be annoyed but I wasn't. "What if they go down ?" she asked . " They probably deserve it " was my reply. If , God forbid, that happened then I would be sad but it sure as hell wouldn't wreck my summer.

I'm not sure I will every get to the point of @Barnfred 55 who used to go to every game and now genuinely doesn't know who we are playing from week to week and only looks at the results some time later but I can understand why he's like that.

You are absolutely right supporting Everton is much more than results and performances. And as I walked up Spellow Lane for one of the last times it was with great pride that I saw the Everton free school and the EITC buildings . Denise should have stayed in that role, she was very good at it. However my counter balance is seeing massively overpaid footballers and managers deliver up crap like yesterday and not seem to be that bothered. Dyche on £5 million p a and all he offers are the usual platitudes and excuses and the " it's everyone's fault but me".

So, it's a personal thing , I have great respect for people like you and @kev who go week in week out but it's just not for me anymore .

Of course I want Everton to do well. I loved going to Goodison for what might be one last game but I don't like what football generally has become - a game dominated by finance .

People will say it's always been that way and under Moore's we were the Mersey millionaires, but it's different now.

In the past a relatively poor club like QPR or Ipswich could get promoted and still be challenging for top spot. Now you now ( fortunately for us ) that it's a virtual certainty that the 3 promoted teams will get relegated.

I also find , again in general, the type of football played nowadays to be turgid and one dimensional . I can't remember the last time I was excited watching a match .

So, there you have it. Going to the game isn't something that I miss, yesterday reaffirmed that. Fortunately Goodison was sold out so very many people feel differently to me and continue to care for more deeply than me. In some ways that's a personal sadness but in other ways it's an emotional release to enable me to do other things that give me greater pleasure.
I think I need to explain to everybody that my transition from STH to seemingly CBA was a gradual one. I was a STH from the early noughties along with 2 friends, and a third guy who would take up the ticket if one of us didn't need it. In my case it was pretty regular as I had many clients who bought hospitality at Goodison. Not only was i sometimes one of their guests, but I also put it out there that I'd be a happy beneficiary of a last minute invitation should one of their guests cry off, and I would still get the odd invitation even after I retired.. So about a dozen times a year I'd enjoy hospitality at the game and this third friend would probably get to go to about half the games.

When Sam Allardyce took over I spat my dummy out and refused to go to the game. The third guy took my season ticket. In the meantime Cal and I had decided to move to Cornwall so I told my mate that he could take over my season ticket indefinitely and until we moved i would take over the position of taking up the spare ticket if one came available. So I was sort of weaned off going the game, and tbh I didn't miss it as much as i expected too.

After Cal died, my head was all over the place and I needed to manage my disappointments, which has sadly included Everton over the last few years. So it isn't that I can't be arsed. In fact it's the exact opposite which is why I need to protect myself.

Incidentally, my 3 mates all gave up their season tickets after covid. I think they all realised that going the game had become a habit and that none of them missed it as much as I thought (similar to me during the Allardyce reign). They also realised that they had only kept going because they didn't want to upset the other 2 (take note Val). They each came to this decision independently and were dreading telling the others. :lol:
 
Kev this was just an occasional visit in the Old Lady's final season for me.

Honestly I don't know how you and @Val P can watch that rubbish every other week.

As I jogged up to Kirkdale I consoled myself that the decision to give up my ST was correct.

Bloody sad the depths to which Everton have been brought.

🤷‍♂️Sorry @jazzy, I have made several attempts at writing a honest answer to both this and your later post, but I ended up deleting each draft. I just can't seem to find the right words to fully explain my feelings towards going to the game and why it's such an important part of my life.
I may come back to the question at some time in the future when I'm feeling more eloquent (please don't hold your breath while waiting)
 
My first game was as an infant in my uncles arms in 1950. Then I used to go as a kid in the boys pen for 6d, as soon as I started working at thirteen as a paperboy I started going to every home game .Then when working full time I used to go to most away games as well, which progressed to all games but not often abroad ,I did though go to Rotterdam and Wembley as a five day trip , I had a season ticket on and off ,my first cost 4 guineas and you got vouchers in the back for "other games " be it cup or European .This went on until I met my wife in Spain and that was it for me .I still miss it but sadly the realisation of how bad we have been has gradually numbed me to the point that a loss is just another loss ,sure it still hurts but this is what we are now .
I am though still disillusioned every pre season to the point that I believe we will do well .In all honesty my heart is broken when I watch some of our games which is why I post saying that I have nothing but admiration for the fans who go to the games and even more for the travelling ones .
Oh for a brighter future and a decent manager .
 
🤷‍♂️Sorry @jazzy, I have made several attempts at writing a honest answer to both this and your later post, but I ended up deleting each draft. I just can't seem to find the right words to fully explain my feelings towards going to the game and why it's such an important part of my life.
I may come back to the question at some time in the future when I'm feeling more eloquent (please don't hold your breath while waiting)
@kev .

Perhaps in retrospect I was too harsh on Everton or expect too much from them ( having seen the fabulous 80s team ).

It was also totally wrong for me to project my feelings onto others .

As I said in my later post to Val I have the utmost respect for the dedication of true fans like you and her and it's perhaps more of a reflection of my frustration and that I am falling out of love with Everton / football .
 
I loved your post Val and those were all the issues that I wrestled with, although less eloquently, when I decided to give up.my season ticket.

The best bit about going for me was meeting my mates and having a beer and a laugh before the game , in the end it became habitual and the football just got in the way.

I'm absolutely sure that if I was going with or meeting family I would have felt differently and continued. In fact that's exactly the experience of my friend who lent me his ST and was down in London. He , like you , has been going for decades and uses goeing to the match as an opportunity to meet up with his extended family.

In many respects I'm sure this decision not to go the game does make me "less of a fan " but I simply can't alter the way I feel. Although it wasn't an economic decision for me ( I'm in the privileged position of being able to afford a ST if I wanted one ) I couldn't justify it to myself given that I was enjoying the football so little.

For me , and I appreciate that this is a very personal thing , my enjoyment of football generally and Everton in particular has diminished as I get older.

Yesterday I still found myself screaming at Doucoure when he gives possession away that leads to a goal ( some things never change ) and at Mykolenko ( amongst others ) when he can't cross a ball without any pressure but as soon as the final whistle went that was it for me. I wasn't that bothered. Years ago a result and performance like that would wreck the weekend.

When I got home Mrs J expected me to be annoyed but I wasn't. "What if they go down ?" she asked . " They probably deserve it " was my reply. If , God forbid, that happened then I would be sad but it sure as hell wouldn't wreck my summer.

I'm not sure I will every get to the point of @Barnfred 55 who used to go to every game and now genuinely doesn't know who we are playing from week to week and only looks at the results some time later but I can understand why he's like that.

You are absolutely right supporting Everton is much more than results and performances. And as I walked up Spellow Lane for one of the last times it was with great pride that I saw the Everton free school and the EITC buildings . Denise should have stayed in that role, she was very good at it. However my counter balance is seeing massively overpaid footballers and managers deliver up crap like yesterday and not seem to be that bothered. Dyche on £5 million p a and all he offers are the usual platitudes and excuses and the " it's everyone's fault but me".

So, it's a personal thing , I have great respect for people like you and @kev who go week in week out but it's just not for me anymore .

Of course I want Everton to do well. I loved going to Goodison for what might be one last game but I don't like what football generally has become - a game dominated by finance .

People will say it's always been that way and under Moore's we were the Mersey millionaires, but it's different now.

In the past a relatively poor club like QPR or Ipswich could get promoted and still be challenging for top spot. Now you now ( fortunately for us ) that it's a virtual certainty that the 3 promoted teams will get relegated.

I also find , again in general, the type of football played nowadays to be turgid and one dimensional . I can't remember the last time I was excited watching a match .

So, there you have it. Going to the game isn't something that I miss, yesterday reaffirmed that. Fortunately Goodison was sold out so very many people feel differently to me and continue to care for more deeply than me. In some ways that's a personal sadness but in other ways it's an emotional release to enable me to do other things that give me greater pleasure.

I think I need to explain to everybody that my transition from STH to seemingly CBA was a gradual one. I was a STH from the early noughties along with 2 friends, and a third guy who would take up the ticket if one of us didn't need it. In my case it was pretty regular as I had many clients who bought hospitality at Goodison. Not only was i sometimes one of their guests, but I also put it out there that I'd be a happy beneficiary of a last minute invitation should one of their guests cry off, and I would still get the odd invitation even after I retired.. So about a dozen times a year I'd enjoy hospitality at the game and this third friend would probably get to go to about half the games.

When Sam Allardyce took over I spat my dummy out and refused to go to the game. The third guy took my season ticket. In the meantime Cal and I had decided to move to Cornwall so I told my mate that he could take over my season ticket indefinitely and until we moved i would take over the position of taking up the spare ticket if one came available. So I was sort of weaned off going the game, and tbh I didn't miss it as much as i expected too.

After Cal died, my head was all over the place and I needed to manage my disappointments, which has sadly included Everton over the last few years. So it isn't that I can't be arsed. In fact it's the exact opposite which is why I need to protect myself.

Incidentally, my 3 mates all gave up their season tickets after covid. I think they all realised that going the game had become a habit and that none of them missed it as much as I thought (similar to me during the Allardyce reign). They also realised that they had only kept going because they didn't want to upset the other 2 (take note Val). They each came to this decision independently and were dreading telling the others. :lol:

I found it very sad reading both of the above tbh, not because I’ve been back on the waiting list for years (finally came through for next year), but because I had a ST all the way through the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s watching some fabulous football and only gave it up when we moved to the midlands and work then took me all around the world. But fortunately it coincided with not having to put up with the absolute dross we’ve been served up over the last couple of decades. Life and this thread shows that we all have different circumstances and personal challenges that affect these decisions. The most important thing is that match going fits in with life as it now is and both @Barnfred 55 and @jazzy are adapting as they see fit and should be applauded for doing so………
 

@kev .

Perhaps in retrospect I was too harsh on Everton or expect too much from them ( having seen the fabulous 80s team ).

It was also totally wrong for me to project my feelings onto others .

As I said in my later post to Val I have the utmost respect for the dedication of true fans like you and her and it's perhaps more of a reflection of my frustration and that I am falling out of love with Everton / football .
There is certainly no need for an apology mate, you were just expressing your feelings.
Your post did lead me to reflect on my own feelings, but as I said I can't find the correct way of expressing those feelings.
If I was pressed to define myself, the word 'Evertonian' would certainly have to be mentioned in the first paragraph 🤷‍♂️
It would be a terrible world if it wasn't for individuality. :lol:
COYB
 
There is certainly no need for an apology mate, you were just expressing your feelings.
Your post did lead me to reflect on my own feelings, but as I said I can't find the correct way of expressing those feelings.
If I was pressed to define myself, the word 'Evertonian' would certainly have to be mentioned in the first paragraph 🤷‍♂️
It would be a terrible world if it wasn't for individuality. :lol:
COYB
By the way I went in the fans zone yesterday before the match but couldn't see anyone dropping pies , otherwise would have bought you a pint 😂.
 
Well, my wife continues her physical rehabilitation. Walked up the stairs to the main bathroom and while she needed help getting into the bath appears fine with the use of the bath lift (obv she cannot operate it herself) which did my back an awful lot of good. She’s now back to being able to getting out of her chair in the living room on her own and is currently wandering around the house as I type this. I hope you don’t mind me giving you all these updates but it’s cheering me up a treat…….
 
Well, my wife continues her physical rehabilitation. Walked up the stairs to the main bathroom and while she needed help getting into the bath appears fine with the use of the bath lift (obv she cannot operate it herself) which did my back an awful lot of good. She’s now back to being able to getting out of her chair in the living room on her own and is currently wandering around the house as I type this. I hope you don’t mind me giving you all these updates but it’s cheering me up a treat…….
It's great news Pete and I'm delighted that you are reporting on Kay's progress.

Even if the care package didn't work ,at least something good came out of it with the bath lift.

Very happy New Year to you and all your family and fingers crossed that you can get some rest and relaxation yourself.
 

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