Would feeder clubs in England be a good idea?

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree with loaning out younger players. We should promote as many of our U-18s into the U-21s as we can and send out our U-21s players on loan. Why introduce a notion of feeder clubs.

From an Everton perspective, we want the sides our kids play for on loan to teach them things that are beneficial to us as a club. So given that RM has us playing tika taka, it makes no sense at all to loan players to route one style sides.

Equally, if RM is trying to instill in them good professional behaviours around diet, recovery, generally not going out and getting lashed etc. we don't want them going to a club who don't care about any of those things.

So for me, having a deeper relationship with a club, be it here on abroad, isn't just about dumping players on them en masse, but exchanging knowledge, expertise, maybe even facilities with those sides as well. Maybe even get some of the older players at Everton who are doing their coaching badges go and help out at the other club for a bit to gain experience.

Not a case of exploiting them but partnering with them. Get some win-wins.

 

[Guest89]

My biggest fear in acting in the England national teams interest is that the quick and easy model favours all the best talent playing week in, week out at the teams already top of the pile, Spain especially exemplifies that. We all know too well how easily the line Barkley needs to be playing at the highest level, champions league football, Everton must let him go and join Man U/Man City/Chelsea for the Country's sake could very quickly develop.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why not? Experience of different coaching methods, tactical systems, attitudes and varying abilities all add to the education that players getting. For many it'll be their first times outside of the EFC setup and it'll be a massive change and mature them. Also sides at league 1 or 2 aren't going to have the resources to match our science/conditioning depts.

Not every player will make it or is capable of making it. The 18-22 age group sees a lot of mental and physical maturity develop over that time. A loan and first team football will only help that along.

It's worth remembering too it's not all kick and rush crap togger in the lower leagues. There's plenty of sides that stroke the ball about, pass and move, and play different systems.

Footballs not a complicated game no matter how much internet beauts like the executioner statto types want it to be.

I'm not going to be so myopic that I say if anythings good for Everton I'll take it at the expense of football in this country as a whole. I love the game itself as much as I love Everton and this would kill it completely in all bar two leagues.

No more Swansea style stories. Cups become largely irrelevant and corrupted as sides need to be kept away from each other, clubs that aspire to more pack in as they compete against a stacked deck and top clubs hoover up even more quality young players from all over the world and pack them off to smaller clubs until they decide if they really want them.

Fans only support the big sides because if we can't even beat Everton B how do we ever get the chance to compete with Everton A. It's all wrong.

That's fair enough and all, but that's kinda how it's done at the moment, and there doesn't seem to be much evidence that it's working. The England under 21 has hardly any players that turn out regularly for top flight clubs.

If the current approach to loaning players out is working then I'd hate to see it when it isn't working.

 

[steken1]

That's fair enough and all, but that's kinda how it's done at the moment, and there doesn't seem to be much evidence that it's working. The England under 21 has hardly any players that turn out regularly for top flight clubs.

If the current approach to loaning players out is working then I'd hate to see it when it isn't working.

I'm still hoping our governing bodies will get round to addressing this with the quota to develop further or FFP. This would only solidify the arrangement and make it common practice. That the under 21's has few top flight players is down to the ridiculous amount of average foreign players allowed and accepted into the league. It's clear as day what needs to be done to resolve that issue and the quality of the main squad too.

TBH I don't even believe it'd be that good for the players in the main. Lads who'd be released and go to lower league sides and start a proper career would be kept hanging on for an extra few years for the sake of it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Interesting chart here on the number of senior players in each 2010 WC squad playing outside their home league.

http://www.estadao.com.br/especiais/2010/06/copa_jogadores.shtm

Would be interesting to see the chart as a whole for players of whatever age. Guessing that not many English players that can't get games in the PL go abroad to try their luck.

 

[Blue Truth]

im sure they tried to put this in place, Moyes wanted us to have one I think but FA didn't agree.
its a good idea now considering they want to win the world cup in 2022.

I think we thought about but decided not too. I don't see why we shouldn't do it.

 

[billycopper]

It would work for the Premier League clubs and it might help lower league clubs financially because they wouldn't have to buy so many players and fans could be drawn to seeing 'the next big thing'. It would probably skew competition in those divisions too. Couldn't they just make the current U21 league more competitive?

 

[steken1]

I think we thought about but decided not too. I don't see why we shouldn't do it.

He wanted us to go in the west cheshire. Not a bad standard but our 18+ players should be streets ahead of that standard.

 

[Blue Truth]

So B teams would suck in that regard because what if the English 2nd tier was congested with B teams at the top? (Presumably Chelsea, City, Utd, possibly Everton and Liverpool)

Don't think that would happen at all, it does't seem to happen in Spain to often.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

Interesting chart here on the number of senior players in each 2010 WC squad playing outside their home league.

http://www.estadao.com.br/especiais/2010/06/copa_jogadores.shtm

Would be interesting to see the chart as a whole for players of whatever age. Guessing that not many English players that can't get games in the PL go abroad to try their luck.

Definitely encourage this. We have plenty of foreign players here from countries whose national teams are thriving - Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland, Belgium to name a few - there are surely places abroad who would be happy to have some of our lower-to-midtable players not getting a game. Should be braver and head out to Russia, Ukraine, Poland and so on.

 

[Blue Truth]

He wanted us to go in the west cheshire. Not a bad standard but our 18+ players should be streets ahead of that standard.

Should have done it. We wouldn't have even needed to play our players if we didn't feel like it would benefit them, just get some other players for the early years.

 

[jamieni]

To be fair RM said that we have the best lower league system in the world and feeder clubs wouldn't necessarily work here but he did say that we could have a relationship with a lower league club. Once a club gets into the championship presumably they could opt out of it. I guess it's a case of you either run the league in order to develop English players (as is done in Spain) or you carry on as we do and have a really competitive league at all levels.

A similar comparison is the way rugby is treated in Ireland as opposed to England. English clubs are independent and compete in Europe but the Irish clubs are feeders to provincial teams who compete in the Heineken Cup. Different structures with their own pluses and minuses I suppose.

 

[Billy Dean]

As I said earlier though, there's no sense at all in loaning a kid out to a club whose team play in a different way to us, whose coaches don't prepare players in the same way, where the recovery and sports science isn't as good.

I think if we're going to send kids out on loan, then having diversity is great, so long as that diversity benefits them as players. So Barca sending Deulofeu to us is good for him because he'll learn a new culture, and be exposed to a more physical game, whilst at the same time still play in a team that has a similar ethos to Barca.

Do we get those gains by sending our kids to some random club in the lower leagues? That's why having a deeper relationship with a particular club makes sense (whether through a feeder relationship or otherwise), because it allows us to share our expertise with them, whilst they provide our kids with a tougher examination than they get in the reserves/youth team.

prob why we send so many kids to brentford - i was reading they have one of the best set ups in terms of youth development and sports science in the lower leagues.