Petit
Player Valuation: £30m
This. Chelsea, City and Utd owning stakes in every talented youngster i the league massively rubs me the wrong way.
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This. Chelsea, City and Utd owning stakes in every talented youngster i the league massively rubs me the wrong way.
I suppose the challenge is finding a club that plays in the same was as us. With Deulofeu, we play in a decent way, the PL is a higher standard than Barca B, and he's improving as a person by living abroad.
Will we get the same kind of benefits from loaning youngsters to Tranmere?
Will we get the same kind of benefits from loaning youngsters to Tranmere?
Works in Italy.
You have rules agains just ring-fencing all the talent.
You have rules agains just ring-fencing all the talent.
Italy is completely different. And their football is corrupt. I don't want that infecting the english game further. Italian football is not a model we should want to follow.
Can see his point.
It would be worth a top flight club's time to pursue and develop a working relationship with a lower league club that could allow for mutually beneficial loans each year, but anything closer to a formal 'feeder' club would surely erase the identity of another team that has its own history and support?
Most of us were happy when we loaned Deulofeu. But if we suddenly had ten Barca kids that were contracted to start 50% of games each year, on the understanding that as soon as they were good enough we'd lose them, how would people feel? The question "What's our name?" mightn't be so simple to answer.
It privileges the big clubs at the expense of others.
The national team issue seems to be somewhat cloudy, too. When we had Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, Ferdinand and Terry all in their pomp we won exactly nothing and never had a good tournament. While I don't deny the English acadamies produce less talent than the Spanish or German, it's also worth recognising that a big reason for England's deflating international reputation is due not to a complete lack of talent but a profoundly ego-fuelled attitude when it comes to individual players. A wider pool of talent might dilute that, maybe, but I think that's what Martinez is getting at when he says no 18 year-old is ready to be a professional.
Most of us were happy when we loaned Deulofeu. But if we suddenly had ten Barca kids that were contracted to start 50% of games each year, on the understanding that as soon as they were good enough we'd lose them, how would people feel? The question "What's our name?" mightn't be so simple to answer.
It privileges the big clubs at the expense of others.
The national team issue seems to be somewhat cloudy, too. When we had Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, Ferdinand and Terry all in their pomp we won exactly nothing and never had a good tournament. While I don't deny the English acadamies produce less talent than the Spanish or German, it's also worth recognising that a big reason for England's deflating international reputation is due not to a complete lack of talent but a profoundly ego-fuelled attitude when it comes to individual players. A wider pool of talent might dilute that, maybe, but I think that's what Martinez is getting at when he says no 18 year-old is ready to be a professional.
It wasn't that long ago that overseas feeder clubs were fashionable. Man Utd for instance have one with Royal Antwerp in Belgium that sees United youngsters going there on loan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antwerp_F.C.#Manchester_United_loan_partnership
As you can see, they've given 30 or so players experience over the years, all presumably in an environment that United have approved in terms of training, nutrition, tactics etc.
I know a while back we had the 'Everton Way' coaching thing we were trying to sell abroad. Maybe we could team up with a team in the second division in Holland/Belgium/France or something, give them coaching help so that they do things the way RM wants, and then loan out several kids a year to get experience of first team football and life in another culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antwerp_F.C.#Manchester_United_loan_partnership
As you can see, they've given 30 or so players experience over the years, all presumably in an environment that United have approved in terms of training, nutrition, tactics etc.
I know a while back we had the 'Everton Way' coaching thing we were trying to sell abroad. Maybe we could team up with a team in the second division in Holland/Belgium/France or something, give them coaching help so that they do things the way RM wants, and then loan out several kids a year to get experience of first team football and life in another culture.
bluejock
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I love the way he talks about football. Seems to have a real passion for doing things the right way.
Blue Truth
Player Valuation: £25m
We should have a B team.
Mogsy_Efc
Player Valuation: £6m
I agree partly. I agree that youth will develop much better and faster playing against men and in the environment that will test them emotionally and mentally as well as physically. BUT this is possibly an easy way for teams to abuse it. Similar to Watford last year.
Imagine we sent them 10 of our youth players. 10 players potentially better than their first team. Surely they wouldn't just abuse it and use all of the players? if there was a limit, say 5 players then i wouldn't mind it, but that kind of takes away from the point.
Imagine we sent them 10 of our youth players. 10 players potentially better than their first team. Surely they wouldn't just abuse it and use all of the players? if there was a limit, say 5 players then i wouldn't mind it, but that kind of takes away from the point.
That has NOTHING to go with the quality of the national team. That is the goal here.
Would you say the National Team in Italy is any good ???
toffeeben15
Player Valuation: £8m
I think it's a good idea but I think we need to send the kids abroad. They will get to see how football is coached in a different way that it is in the uk . Plus it gives them experience in different countries. We could also include a week abroad coaching in the uefa a licence to see how they coach in a foriegn country
Whilst I agree very much with the theory of sending them abroad, I think the bit in bold is wide of the mark. Whilst it's nice in theory for kids to learn new ways of playing/preparing, I think they'd be better served learning the 'Everton way', so they can seamlessly slot into the first team when they get back.
I mean it wouldn't do much for their education or chances of playing well for us if they go from RM's tika taka to a lower league club playing route one football.
That's why I think it needs to be a bit more holistic than simply sending kids to Club X. We need to either pick one we're comfortable shares out philosophy or be more hands on in giving them our expertise.
A corporate analogy is at Toyota. They are very hands on with their suppliers to ensure they do things in exactly the same way as Toyota does, so that they fit seamlessly into their system. That often involves training their managers and forcing suppliers to work in the same way as Toyota.
For us, that could mean picking a club, whether here or abroad, and providing training for their coaches in the Everton philosophy, and ensuring they lineup the same way our first team does, play the same way we do, prepare the same way we do, and so on.
We could give that club access to our sports science stuff, coaching support, medical backup, data analysis and so on, in return for them being a breeding ground for our kids.
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