Blue Pride of Brum
Player Valuation: £8m
I would not accept loan players en masse from another club but maybe if we were a tiny club then i would.
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Would say the national team of old is pretty good. But the youth theyre bringing through right now, aren't as good. Or as many. Their national team right now mostly consists of 28-30+ year olds.
I believe Chelsea had the same kind of partnership with KV Mechelen in Belgium - Benteke used to play for that club.
Funny how we haven't bothered with anything like that, i mean, even UK citizens are europeans and would benefit from a little bit of continental experience, like.
Then I would suggest you actually look at them a bit closer. They are quality, and as good as guarantee Semi at EVERY competition. They won the World Cup 7 years ago.
Those younger players in the U21's, play competitive football, full games. At clubs that make a difference in league's.
The 2 clubs would talk about the players progression and then decide weather that's the right club for them, then agree fee.
If it was policed to say, ONLY under 21 year old, and they MUST have come through that clubs system.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
It's massively unfair on the clubs that are genuine in whatever league your B-side are in. Plus Most clubs would be massisvely tempted to throw resources at that club to try and get it as high up the leagues as they can. What would happen if the blues second side got in the championship and was pushing for promotion. We got them in a cup semi final etc.???
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
Barca B aren't allowed to be promoted to the First Division is Spain aren't they?
So B teams would suck in that regard because what if the English 2nd tier was congested with B teams at the top? (Presumably Chelsea, City, Utd, possibly Everton and Liverpool)
So yeeah don't think B teams are the way to go, we have very good lower leagues in England.
But at the same time feeder clubs seems disrespectful to lower clubs, but it's certainly a good idea for bringing on youngsters.
So B teams would suck in that regard because what if the English 2nd tier was congested with B teams at the top? (Presumably Chelsea, City, Utd, possibly Everton and Liverpool)
So yeeah don't think B teams are the way to go, we have very good lower leagues in England.
But at the same time feeder clubs seems disrespectful to lower clubs, but it's certainly a good idea for bringing on youngsters.
Blue Pride of Brum
Player Valuation: £8m
We want to get back in the top flight so dont want any of them B teams.
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
In Spain, B teams can't get promoted to the top tier. Which stresses why we shouldn't have them, because the best teams in the league should get promoted.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
We have much much greater depth in our lower leagues than most countries who'll only have the top ywo leagues then a massive drop off in standard and quality. Some league 1 sides over here get better support than sides in seria A and La Liga. Like you say disrepectful to them. The good thing with that depth is if we use the loan system better we can develop those players needing games anyway.
Guest89
Player Valuation: £1m
I think Martinez's point about younger players getting the experience of promotion and relegation and what football clubs mean to the wider staff is a very good one. I don't agree with sending 10 players to one club and treating them like a real feeder club. But spreading your youngsters out, sending out 10 on loan, 2 or 3 to other clubs around the north west, is something I think would work.
I'm really hoping Lundstram goes out on loan this season, ideally to a championship club (not sure whether he'd expect to start every game at that level) for a full season.
I'm really hoping Lundstram goes out on loan this season, ideally to a championship club (not sure whether he'd expect to start every game at that level) for a full season.
As I said earlier though, there's no sense at all in loaning a kid out to a club whose team play in a different way to us, whose coaches don't prepare players in the same way, where the recovery and sports science isn't as good.
I think if we're going to send kids out on loan, then having diversity is great, so long as that diversity benefits them as players. So Barca sending Deulofeu to us is good for him because he'll learn a new culture, and be exposed to a more physical game, whilst at the same time still play in a team that has a similar ethos to Barca.
Do we get those gains by sending our kids to some random club in the lower leagues? That's why having a deeper relationship with a particular club makes sense (whether through a feeder relationship or otherwise), because it allows us to share our expertise with them, whilst they provide our kids with a tougher examination than they get in the reserves/youth team.
Royal Blue Jersey
Player Valuation: £35m
Absolutely not. To me, the history and pedigree of our lower leagues are second to none, and I mean in the entire world. There are so many big clubs in all of them. I would never sacrifice that for some ****ty national team pipe dream. I couldn't give a **** about England.
This would benefit us much more than it would England. Do you give a **** about Everton, or care more about Accrington Stanley and their loyal horde of non-milk drinking fans?
Royal Blue Jersey
Player Valuation: £35m
I'm not interested in doing things this way, for the benefit of Everton or England. Their beverage of choice notwithstanding I don't see what makes you so quick to dismiss them and other lower league outfits. They're founder members of the football league, brimming with history. They have an identity. This isn't Spain where top clubs are allowed to turn the system into a joke and send out second string sides to compete with other clubs. That's pathetic. Why do you think we have the magic of the FA Cup? Will the top clubs just buy their way through the early rounds by preventing their feeder clubs from using their own players against them?
I agree with loaning out younger players. We should promote as many of our U-18s into the U-21s as we can and send out our U-21s players on loan. Why introduce a notion of feeder clubs.
Ultimately, my loyalties lie with club football as an institution. I am not prepared to entertain the idea of destroying something uniquely British for some deluded continental youth policy
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Why not? Experience of different coaching methods, tactical systems, attitudes and varying abilities all add to the education that players getting. For many it'll be their first times outside of the EFC setup and it'll be a massive change and mature them. Also sides at league 1 or 2 aren't going to have the resources to match our science/conditioning depts.
Not every player will make it or is capable of making it. The 18-22 age group sees a lot of mental and physical maturity develop over that time. A loan and first team football will only help that along.
It's worth remembering too it's not all kick and rush crap togger in the lower leagues. There's plenty of sides that stroke the ball about, pass and move, and play different systems.
Footballs not a complicated game no matter how much internet beauts like the executioner statto types want it to be.
I'm not going to be so myopic that I say if anythings good for Everton I'll take it at the expense of football in this country as a whole. I love the game itself as much as I love Everton and this would kill it completely in all bar two leagues.
No more Swansea style stories. Cups become largely irrelevant and corrupted as sides need to be kept away from each other, clubs that aspire to more pack in as they compete against a stacked deck and top clubs hoover up even more quality young players from all over the world and pack them off to smaller clubs until they decide if they really want them.
Fans only support the big sides because if we can't even beat Everton B how do we ever get the chance to compete with Everton A. It's all wrong.
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