Woolwich

[noharmdone]

A french soldier stabbed in the neck in Paris now breaking news...

 

[Bluenose1995]

I guarantee these [Poor language removed] Redcoats will use this excuse to bring in their spying legislation to read our emails/phone messages etc. this scumbag Government needs overhauling

 

[Jib in lad]

Cameron has frigged off to Ibiza for a few days, how out of touch is this [Poor language removed] ? .

 

[JamesEFC]

Someone else has been stabbed in Woolwich, about 300 metres from the murder spot according to sky

 

[NewRadical]

I guarantee these [Poor language removed] Redcoats will use this excuse to bring in their spying legislation to read our emails/phone messages etc. this scumbag Government needs overhauling

They've wanted to bring this in for a while; all three 'major' parties want it.

Now the Government has an incident to exploit so people cave in and are willing to give up a bit more freedom.

 

[neville]

They've wanted to bring this in for a while; all three 'major' parties want it.

Now the Government has an incident to exploit so people cave in and are willing to give up a bit more freedom.

Is that what you call it I am gutted upset and ****ing angry about a young british soldier butchered in the streets of our capital city

What do you think of this lot then ??

Please watch and give me your views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

 

[Deloodid]

i think they (Government) are gonna get tough on people who spout extreme view. which they disguise under "free speech" which is one of the none Islamic laws there like to use in this country.

 

[Deloodid]

I guarantee these [Poor language removed] Redcoats will use this excuse to bring in their spying legislation to read our emails/phone messages etc. this scumbag Government needs overhauling

If you have nothin to hide, why worry,

 

[mezzrow]

From Ace of Spades HQ:


Finally: Britain Cracks Down On Those Exploiting the System to Encourage Hate

—Ace

Oh, you thought I meant the jihadi preachers on the dole?


No, I meant people making angry comments about the Woolrich butchers.

A 22-year-old man has been charged on suspicion of making malicious comments on Facebook following the murder of British soldier Lee Rigby. Benjamin Flatters, from Lincoln, was arrested last night after complaints were made to Lincolnshire Police about comments made on Facebook, which were allegedly of a racist or anti-religious nature.
He was charged with an offence of malicious communications this afternoon in relation to the comments, a Lincolnshire Police spokesman said.
...
A second man was visited by officers and warned about his activity on social media, the spokesman added.


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Glad they're finally getting to the Root Causes of the problem.


And from Instapundit:

BRITAIN: Two men arrested over ‘offensive Twitter comments about British soldier’s death.’ “Police say people should be careful about what they write on twitter as the ‘consequences could be serious’.” It’s not like they were just sawing off heads or something. These were offensive tweets. Probably racist or anti-Islamic or something. That’s serious.

meanwhile in Sweden:

Car owners whose auto was torched during immigrant rioting aren’t getting sympathy from local officials… They’re getting tickets. The police chose to “wait” and “not to intervene” when the gangs burned cars. But those car owners who could not move their burnt-out wrecks, however, were fined.

It's just gone crazy, Bill. At least Texas is still sound, and Florida is hanging on. Just.

 

[NewRadical]

Is that what you call it I am gutted upset and ****ing angry about a young british soldier butchered in the streets of our capital city

What do you think of this lot then ??

Please watch and give me your views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

Erm, no I don't!

I said the Government will (see it as an incident to exploit), just like they used 9/11 to get unpopular news out under the radar.

I have family in the forces and you know nothing about me, so don't try and make me out as a villain.

 

[Dell Boy]

I have family in the forces and you know nothing about me, so don't try and make me out as a villain.

I don't see why this issue needs to be complicated at all.

We need a government that has the balls to set out and define a clear written constitution that has respect for all citizens at its heart. Any idea of free speech must come second to this "live and let live" principle.

If someone does anything in the way of aggression or hatred towards any specific sector of society - whether that's gays, lesbians, black, white or the armed forces then they should be charged and deported (to either country of origin or some crap hole that would have anyone).

On turning 16 there should be a simple civil contract you have to sign up to as part of getting a NI number. Sign here, respect everyone and you'll be fine.

The current system appears too lax in terms of someone having to actively and specifically be promoting violence. Well to me that's too onerous.

More love, less hatred please.

 

[hullefc]

I don't see why this issue needs to be complicated at all.

We need a government that has the balls to set out and define a clear written constitution that has respect for all citizens at its heart. Any idea of free speech must come second to this "live and let live" principle.

If someone does anything in the way of aggression or hatred towards any specific sector of society - whether that's gays, lesbians, black, white or the armed forces then they should be charged and deported (to either country of origin or some crap hole that would have anyone).

On turning 16 there should be a simple civil contract you have to sign up to as part of getting a NI number. Sign here, respect everyone and you'll be fine.

The current system appears too lax in terms of someone having to actively and specifically be promoting violence. Well to me that's too onerous.

More love, less hatred please.

Why are teachers not a 'specific sector of society' or road sweepers or nurses or door people or bus drivers or tube workers or shop assistants or any other person that works. There is laws that deal with hate crimes or hatred towards others.

And what if the person has a UK passport where will they be deported to, a penal colony?

There seems to be a bit of selectivity going on. What about the deaths in custody, torture and aggression shown towards Iraqi's, Afghani's etc., in the 'war against terror'. Where should the perpetrators of such crimes be deported too?

It is quite simple, Britain should not meddle in the affairs of other countries.

 

[Bluenose1995]

If you have nothin to hide, why worry,

Because I dont wany people reading MY business its a free country if these Redcoats want to spy on its people then they should **** off to China or north korea whats next compulsory house checks? Or how about tracking devices? If anything it should be us being able to see the emails and messages of these corrupt bastards who have their fat fingers in many many pies.

 

[Dell Boy]

Why are teachers not a 'specific sector of society' or road sweepers or nurses or door people or bus drivers or tube workers or shop assistants or any other person that works. There is laws that deal with hate crimes or hatred towards others.

And what if the person has a UK passport where will they be deported to, a penal colony?

There seems to be a bit of selectivity going on. What about the deaths in custody, torture and aggression shown towards Iraqi's, Afghani's etc., in the 'war against terror'. Where should the perpetrators of such crimes be deported too?

It is quite simple, Britain should not meddle in the affairs of other countries.

Woah hang on a minute.

You say there are existing laws in relation to hate crimes etc? Well clearly they are not tough enough or the police would be able to stop a number of protests that preach hatred. One of the Woolwich attackers was well known for preaching his hatred towards the UK and its way of life. That should never have been allowed.

Likewise to soldiers. We have a democracy here. If the government elects its soldiers to go off and fight whatever war they want then that is legal until deemed otherwise. Protesting at a soldier's funeral or the return of a soldier's body from abroad is completely unacceptable. A stop should be put to that.

I made the point we should remove these people that preach hate to EITHER that country of origin or some other country that will have them. I'm sure for a price a country could be found.

I'm against hatred of any kind and if a mob got up to protest against teachers then that would be wrong as well. Of course it would.

As a developed country the UK chooses to go out and put its own soldier's lives at risk in Iraq or Afghanistan. The UK sets out to obey international laws. Getting rid of Saddam Hussein or the Taliban was a good thing. If crimes are found to have been committed then the offenders should be prosecuted.

Your last sentence seems to be written in such a way as "by meddling in other country's affairs then it can expect all this to happen".

What I'm saying is simple. As a free democracy I think we're too relaxed about allowing folk to spout hatred to our way of life - and that includes our soldiers and government (by definition we elect them so they are an extension of us).

If someone stands on a street corner ****ging off the UK and all it stands for then they should be carted off and prosecuted. If a judge deems it serious enough to warrant straight deportation then so be it.

And before you say anything I'm as far removed from a typical far-right British army supporter as there can be! I'm Irish and my instinct is to support Labour but I think enough is enough here. I have an Irish passport but choose to live here. That to me means I accept the British way of life and all that comes with it. If someone hates this country then there are hundreds of others to choose from!

Rant over!!

 

[NewRadical]

Is that what you call it I am gutted upset and ****ing angry about a young british soldier butchered in the streets of our capital city

What do you think of this lot then ??

Please watch and give me your views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

Normally I don't let things written to me on the internet bother me. But to be honest this post has upset me.

You've taken a comment which was clearly about the government introducing draconian measures against the majority of good people and twisted it to imply I don't care about a British soldier murdered in his homeland, posted a video of extremists and then demanded answers form me. Who do you think you are?

I honestly wonder if you are trying to suggest I'm a muslim extremist or sympathiser.

I'll tell you the reason it has upset me. I had a friend who died in Afghanistan. I'm not going to use his name to make a stupid point but to those local he was from Kirkby and we went to Cherryfield school together. I knew him from when we were young enough to play with matchbox cars together, we lent each other videos and both went to the school fancy dress party as The Incredible Hulk, he won.

Had you read the original post properly, or earlier entries I had made were I said I was upset for the soldiers son then perhaps you wouldn't have felt the need to attack me. You were bang out of line.

To other posters, I apologise for derailing this thread, but I needed to make my point, I actually felt I needed to clear my name.

I don't think I can stomach writing on GOT anymore. So I won't.