The age doesn't really worry me. A few (not central) players are over 30 and apart from Distin, genuinely not worried. What does worry me is how quickly once we're beyond the first dozen or so names, the quality dips so dramatically.
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The age doesn't really worry me. A few (not central) players are over 30 and apart from Distin, genuinely not worried. What does worry me is how quickly once we're beyond the first dozen or so names, the quality dips so dramatically.
Hellerad
j'accuse!
I have an unhealthy love for Distin. And he's French, so he ages wonderfully. 36 is when the French start developing telekinesis, so he should be able to intercept crosses with his mind next season. Kidding aside, unless Heitinga sticks around and finds some form, central defense is vital for next season.
Everywhere else, we have at least another season if we need it. But after that, we need funds to bring in some class. What we need immediately is depth.
Everywhere else, we have at least another season if we need it. But after that, we need funds to bring in some class. What we need immediately is depth.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
I don't think it's a major problem tbh Neville and Distin asside.
GK play for longer and with Mucha going in the summer I'm sure we will see a younger backup coming in anyway.
Jags at 31 who will now likely be captain has probably got 3/4 yrs left and Duffy looks likely to be his cover. Distin is on his last legs but with Heitinga likely to move on, again I see another younger CB coming in even if its lescott at 30, CB's usually have an extra couple of years on other players. There's also the young lad stones and bryning who are being talked up.
Pienaar yes is advancing at 31, same with Osman. Pienaar has never been about pace so don't see a problem with him going on 2/3 yrs yet. Osman will become more of a squad player.
Bearing in mind I'm sure we will be active this summer 2/3 younger early 20's guys coming in and it will look a lot healthier again. All the top teams have a mix of youth and experience. Money situation's at our club always make us worry about it more but in general I'd say after a bit of summer tweaking we will have a good mix.
GK play for longer and with Mucha going in the summer I'm sure we will see a younger backup coming in anyway.
Jags at 31 who will now likely be captain has probably got 3/4 yrs left and Duffy looks likely to be his cover. Distin is on his last legs but with Heitinga likely to move on, again I see another younger CB coming in even if its lescott at 30, CB's usually have an extra couple of years on other players. There's also the young lad stones and bryning who are being talked up.
Pienaar yes is advancing at 31, same with Osman. Pienaar has never been about pace so don't see a problem with him going on 2/3 yrs yet. Osman will become more of a squad player.
Bearing in mind I'm sure we will be active this summer 2/3 younger early 20's guys coming in and it will look a lot healthier again. All the top teams have a mix of youth and experience. Money situation's at our club always make us worry about it more but in general I'd say after a bit of summer tweaking we will have a good mix.
I'm not sure that the inreased TV money will help. Every club gets it so we will still be in the same position in the financial pecking order. All that happens is that transfer fees and wages go up.
While I'm here, what are those two boxes up on the right which read 'not allowed' when you put the mouse on them? Most of
them have O before them, but sometimes 1.
While I'm here, what are those two boxes up on the right which read 'not allowed' when you put the mouse on them? Most of
them have O before them, but sometimes 1.
The Hibbert Agenda
Player Valuation: £20m
Something that Everton don't do very well in transfers is selling.
Moyes might be phenomenal at bringing in players at a bargain, but aside for Lescott he hasn't really done well at selling players at the height of their value (while bringing in players who are superior, or who in time will be)--- something that Wenger does excellently.
I think this is partly due to the club/manager/fans' strong strong strong desire not to be seen as a selling club- but selling is just a tool to be used to then bring in solid players.
Let's assume Moyes stays- we can assume he has a pretty decent list of gems he'd love to buy at a bargain who can improve the team (Jelavic, Mirallas, Gibson- all recent examples). Of the players listed above I wonder who he could do a Rodwell with this summer to finance purchases.
I mention this in this thread only because obviously the older players get and the longer we hold onto our players the lower their sell-on value becomes.
Would people be willing, for example, be willing to sell Mirallas at the end of the season if it was for a massive profit (like Anelka at Arsenal?)
Moyes might be phenomenal at bringing in players at a bargain, but aside for Lescott he hasn't really done well at selling players at the height of their value (while bringing in players who are superior, or who in time will be)--- something that Wenger does excellently.
I think this is partly due to the club/manager/fans' strong strong strong desire not to be seen as a selling club- but selling is just a tool to be used to then bring in solid players.
Let's assume Moyes stays- we can assume he has a pretty decent list of gems he'd love to buy at a bargain who can improve the team (Jelavic, Mirallas, Gibson- all recent examples). Of the players listed above I wonder who he could do a Rodwell with this summer to finance purchases.
I mention this in this thread only because obviously the older players get and the longer we hold onto our players the lower their sell-on value becomes.
Would people be willing, for example, be willing to sell Mirallas at the end of the season if it was for a massive profit (like Anelka at Arsenal?)
blaggerblue
Player Valuation: £10m
Its a new kind of rep system: thumbs up thumbs down...Only some people can use them for some reason.
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
If you continually sell players at the height of their value, how can you ever hope to build a successful team? Stability in playing personnel has helped build the team ethic at the club and we benefit from it. Do you want us to just buy potential to sell it on at a profit? They don't award any trophies for that. The balance between team stability and profit from sales is something we have done mostly right in recent years. You can add Arteta, Rodwell and Johnson to Lescott's name; all sold at a profit without massively disrupting the squad.
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
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Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
Arsenal wenger has NOT done it well...far from it
Yes he's sold at profit but replaced with inferior players
Hence their slide from invincables to also rans!
toffeeben15
Player Valuation: £8m
I think we do well for transfers . Aside from billy who we lost money on he as spend well for most of the time except the lescott money what he pissed up the wall . The problem i have with this seasons transfers is that he never got any loan deals in january . Even if moyes knew he had money to spend he should of atleast got a loan in before the fer deal as he has seen what addition do to the morale of the squad . Just think if he had got 3 loan players in january how much further foward we could have pushed this team
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Big Fat Sam
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If I were manager I'd be looking to get rid of Heitinga OR Distin, plus Naismith and Jelavic at the end of the season.
That'd be another 100k off the wage bill minimum, plus Neville's no doubt 45k, and hopefully Hibbert's 30k or so. The best part of 200k a week off the bill, nearly 9m a year saved.
We'd obviously need to invest heavily in the squad then, and buy a good centre back, a top class striker and a squad player to cover the positions, but we'd be a lot better for it.
That Wolkswinkel might have been a good signing, but I guess we can't expect to be bullying transfer powerhouses such as Norwich City to sign players.
That'd be another 100k off the wage bill minimum, plus Neville's no doubt 45k, and hopefully Hibbert's 30k or so. The best part of 200k a week off the bill, nearly 9m a year saved.
We'd obviously need to invest heavily in the squad then, and buy a good centre back, a top class striker and a squad player to cover the positions, but we'd be a lot better for it.
That Wolkswinkel might have been a good signing, but I guess we can't expect to be bullying transfer powerhouses such as Norwich City to sign players.
The Hibbert Agenda
Player Valuation: £20m
I'm not saying sell foolishly- but many clubs like Dortmund and Udinese (especially) used player sales to leverage their recent successes and improvements in their leagues.
Yes but it was his sales that financed the players who then became the invincibles.
I agree that recently Wenger has done it badly- because he's only done half of it- he's sold for brilliant prices (either because he's odd or coerced by his board) but replaced pretty terribly.
My point is this:
If Moyes knows that striker X is available for 5million, and he is better than Jelavic (for example) who can be sold for 6million
then in the absence of other financing options, Moyes should sell Jelavic and buy striker X
This to me makes sense in theory at least, but Moyes has often not done this (Neville to Spurs being the obvious case- He could definitely have gotten a superior player even for the small amount being offered by Spurs)
So the question then is- is Moyes a bit of a hoarder, or am I neglecting other aspects relevant to valuing players
I think we are generally poor at transfers , the fact that moyes can spot a player has impacted obviously . With lescott I think there was genuinely a intention from moyes not to sell which pushed the price up and led to a deal that couldn't be turned down.
Bringing players in or moving players out we are awful at transfers and I can assure people that's a commonly held view in the game .
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