Why is racism creeping into British football again?

[Khalekan]

Racism in football is usually glanced over the fact that the player is on big wages and they didn't do well.

It's certainly creeping in with the media highlighting Sterling out as Rich Footballer Spends Money but other high profile players are passed over.

Best example is Walcott and Coleman, I think they aren't playing good but I don't think it's the colour of his skin but he is just playing poor.

This media usually the Mail or Scum or Facebook have a type of reader who use immigrants over refugees so get their "information" on a racist view. It's this miseducation which is dragging ourselves down.

I think the main reason Sterling gets so much negative press coverage is due not so much to his skin colour but the fact he walked out on the RS and as we saw in that Times article yesterday, the sycophants in Fleet Street are now in full cry as they try to brainwash the football public into believing that it is “good for football” if that shower win the title.

I mean, two or three Chelsea fans were singled out for attention after Sterling was verbally abused the other week.

Yet every time he gets anywhere near the ball ehen he plays at The Pit a barage of abuse from tens of thousands of Orcs rains down on him and never is it mentioned on TV at the time nor in the written press the next day.

 

[Walken]

I honestly think it's a global thing at this moment. I remember watching a special with Henry where he said things were progressing in the US where as in Europe they've stayed the same or gotten worse.

All the major football nations have had issues with this. Funny thing is, I dont think the US was ever less racist than European football nations. Our best athletes have always been black for the majority of adults lives now.

It is an interesting thing to look at. In the UK and Europe, it seems that's where racists feel emboldened, at sporting events. In the US, sporting events are the place people who drop n bombs every day of the week avoid it because the people they hate are the ones who can bring them joy for that cause.

I completely agree, good post mate

 

[Walken]

Anyone who has committed racist acts post Bexit/Trump were already racists and are always on the lookout for fresh excuses. If it wasn't Brexit/Trump it would of been somthing else. We can't stop having perfectly legitimate discussions on things like immigration because of how racists might abuse the situation. Let's start giving harsher punishments out to racists if we want to stamp it out or at least make a start in doing so. It's the lack of real punishments that gives them the green light to behave this way.

The lad you were quoting insinuated that trump and brexit emboldened racists, not created them, though the leave campaign certainly did it's best to do so

 

[Yid4life]

Tbf spurs have had a couple recently, a spurs fan literally threw a banana at a black player , and there’s the videos of that spurs fan being terrifyingly racist to Chinese people and Indians that’s been all over twitter recently

He threw it in the direction of a group of 6 players one of whom was black. Unless you can prove which one, if any, it was intended for it is mere speculation.
As for the video on twitter racially stereotyping the Korean sat several rows behind him, as the fella was out of earshot i'm not really sure that can be described as 'terrifying'. Of course it was totally out of order and inappropriate, however, the bloke that filmed it has autism so not really sure how that can be regulated.
As always seems to be the case on social media though, people are guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The lad you were quoting insinuated that trump and brexit emboldened racists, not created them, though the leave campaign certainly did it's best to do so

Yes mate. We established that and had a conversation about it. I disagree. I think the racists are always emboldened and will always have a ready made excuse and that if it wasn't Brexit or Trump it would just he somthing else. I just don't see the point in blaming the thing they've latched onto. You probably disagree but it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

[Yid4life]

I know we’ve had this discussion before mate and I know he’s a spurs fan but the bloke in question was literally found guilty. The people desperate to find it racist include the magistrate who convicted him , the very person whose job it is to decide guilt rather than collect and present evidence without judgement which is the police’s job. For the avoidance of any confusion this is what was said at the conclusion of the case

Magistrate Mervyn Mandell said: "We find it was a targeted gesture to throw a banana skin after a goal was scored by a black player. "We have in the circumstances found the racial element was there."

Football reflects society but where it differs is the tribal defence of our own. In Uruguay it’s a term of affection, John terry was obvious quoting he’s got black mates , The bloke doing the monkey gesture might be looking for his keys and every other incident ever. I’m not saying Everton fans are innocent either I’ve read here similar comments but if you allow a tribal football loyalty to lead you to excuse obviously racist actions You’re hardly helping.

IMO it is not an obviously racist action. Unless someone is a mind reader, they are merely speculating.

 

[Harryflashman]

IMO it is not an obviously racist action. Unless someone is a mind reader, they are merely speculating.

Again mate I know we’ve gone through this but isn’t every criminal action where intent is key open to interpretation ? Unless somebody confessed , shouts their intentions or keeps a diary its all about the evidence presented to a court and judging intent is exactly what a court is for . The courts judge intent every day up and down the country and on this occasion they’ve deemed it a deliberate act with a racist intent , which given it’s a banana skin apparently aimed at a black footballer isn’t a huge stretch.

I can understand the bloke convicted wouldn’t be happy , I can understand why those close to him would also not want him to be deemed a racist but otherwise I don’t see why anybody would want to pick this particular fight . The blokes been convicted and the person whose convicted him thinks it was racist , I mean given the conduct it’s tough to argue in my opinion but each to there own .

 

[Walken]

Yes mate. We established that and had a conversation about it. I disagree. I think the racists are always emboldened and will always have a ready made excuse and that if it wasn't Brexit or Trump it would just he somthing else. You probably disagree but it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

I'm not actually sure if I agree or not, it's something to think about, but my feelings definately lean to a clear cause and effect between figures like trump and the brexit leave campaign and less tolerant attitudes being expoused. Its a extreme example but I'm not convinced white south Africans would have had such an intolerant attitude without an apartheid regime in place, would they have found something else to be just as emboldened?

We can apply the same theory to a lot of others things such as smokers will always smoke, fatties will always eat, but the evidence suggests people can be influenced by surroundings and advertisement. Its obviously a much more complex issue than that which is why isolating the question or discussion to football is futile. I clearly don't have the answers but it's up for discussion

 

[Walken]

IMO it is not an obviously racist action. Unless someone is a mind reader, they are merely speculating.

Then it can't be obviously not racist either, at the very least it's extremely stupid with a clear and unfortunate link to past racist actions

 

[Harryflashman]

Then it can't be obviously not racist either, at the very least it's extremely stupid with a clear and unfortunate link to past racist actions

If you take it as a non racist action he’s been really really unlucky, A black player scores against your team and you lose your mind and throw something towards him and the nearest thing to hand is a banana skin.

 

[Walken]

If you take it as a non racist action he’s been really really unlucky, A black player scores against your team and you lose your mind and throw something towards him and the nearest thing to hand is a banana skin.

At least he takes healthy snacks to the game

 

[barneygumble]

It's not disappeared ever, now, with Social Media and the pressure the clubs have to show for equality, it's just highlighted.

I could in my mind hate someone or something, but if i don't speak it, then who knows? But with Social Media being such an open opportunity to express yourself, a lot of idiots think they're untouchable.

Best thing about twitter is seeing everyone unite against Idiots like that.

 

[Wayno]

He threw it in the direction of a group of 6 players one of whom was black. Unless you can prove which one, if any, it was intended for it is mere speculation.
As for the video on twitter racially stereotyping the Korean sat several rows behind him, as the fella was out of earshot i'm not really sure that can be described as 'terrifying'. Of course it was totally out of order and inappropriate, however, the bloke that filmed it has autism so not really sure how that can be regulated.
As always seems to be the case on social media though, people are guilty until proven innocent.

What about the other video where that same guy impersonates a Chinese guy buy repeatedly shouting different Chinese meals into his camera? Same with Indian too.

Is that ok?

 

[LEONARD]

Some Morons, who have drank copious amounts of alcohol pre-match, continue to attend games.

Every club, including Everton, have them.

I remember the 1970's, so today is nowhere as bad, believe me.

Not to be complacent, but let's put current 'incidents' into perspective.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Brexit probably hasn't helped. It feels like that, combined with Trumps win in America, made racists feel empowered that they could be more open about their beliefs because there were two big anti-migration victories almost back to back

This doesn't mean that if you voted for Brexit then you're a racist of course, because that's a ludicrous notion that only does more harm than good, but most racists probably did vote for Brexit and will have seen the Brexit victory as a victory for their beliefs and life style. Hate crime numbers went up following Brexit for instance, which suggests racist people felt like they had more of a license to be racist in public

There'll be other reasons as well though. For instance, footballers being so wealthy and seemingly so detached from the life of the average supporter has led to a much frostier relationship between footballer and fan, which makes it much more common for supporters to resent players and indulge in poor behaviour as a result of that resentment