blue_order
Player Valuation: £2.5m
We put the games on a pedestal thats why. Treat them like any other fixture which they should be and the results will start changing and there's less chance of us bricking it all the time.
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Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
Everton are unique in that the club doesn't fit into either of the two categories that comprise the Premier League.
The current 'big six,' like its predecessor, the 'top four,' have all qualified for the Champions League, competed for titles or won trophies in the last decade.
Everyone else has found themselves in the Championship or lower in that same period, except for Everton.
As a result, Everton don't travel with the belief of a top team, nor do they benefit from the 'free hit' mentality that occasionally enables the lesser lights to pull off a shock result by playing without pressure at a ground where they're not expected to get anything.
I think that this lack of identity/purpose is at the root of most of Everton's problems. We don't really know what we're supposed to be or what we should realistically be doing.
The current 'big six,' like its predecessor, the 'top four,' have all qualified for the Champions League, competed for titles or won trophies in the last decade.
Everyone else has found themselves in the Championship or lower in that same period, except for Everton.
As a result, Everton don't travel with the belief of a top team, nor do they benefit from the 'free hit' mentality that occasionally enables the lesser lights to pull off a shock result by playing without pressure at a ground where they're not expected to get anything.
I think that this lack of identity/purpose is at the root of most of Everton's problems. We don't really know what we're supposed to be or what we should realistically be doing.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Yeah teams get lucky sometimes
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Moyes installed a mentality over the period of a decade that we still need to fight off.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
So I went and counted.
"Big 6" home losses vs non "Big 6" the last 3 seasons:
RS: 0
City: 2
Arsenal: 2
Spurs: 3
United: 4
Chelsea: 6
That's 17 over 3 years. About 5 times a season. Those teams play 84 home games a season. We are talking 5% of the time teams go away and win at the "Big 6." Which means really it comes down to luck of the draw when it happens.
Utter rubbish. We've won 3 times at Arsenal in the last 45 years. How's that Moyes's fault exactly?
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Because we seemed to beat these teams at home, but away it was more like try not to lose.
I'm not defending Moyes's record away at those teams, it was dreadful. I'm just saying it's ridiculous to blame him for something that was going on way before he joined and has continued way after he left. He was responsible for the losses while he was here, no more and no less.
Was thinking that myself. No matter who we were playing away, our mentality was to not get beat and anything else was a bonus.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Apologies I grew up with him being our manager and wasn't aware it was that bad before.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
It's impossible to explain in precise terms why we have this problem, although the comparative quality of top six squads vs ours over an extended period of 25 years and at any given point in time, should surely mean statistically we can expect a poor record in these fixtures, and so it has come to pass. Then you have the Anfield cup game and it sort of resets our relationship with these games all over again.
There is in my view, too much of a burden on breaking our duck in these games but insofar as the manager and the players are concerned, this crop together, then it's something that should probably be addressed and spoken about at team meetings and such like, if it hasn't been already.
It would be interesting to get Ancelotti's take on this, he would probably seek to not make too much of it and you can't argue the merits one way or another with a man of his capability and experience if so.
We just have to try and get over the line in one of these fixtures sooner or later given the damning statistics. If we improve our record more generally then it will mean we are beginning to compete. When all is said and done our record reflects a side that has been almost permanently inferior in playing terms over an extended period but it does not explain why our record is not just expectedly bad, but embarassing and appalling.
There is in my view, too much of a burden on breaking our duck in these games but insofar as the manager and the players are concerned, this crop together, then it's something that should probably be addressed and spoken about at team meetings and such like, if it hasn't been already.
It would be interesting to get Ancelotti's take on this, he would probably seek to not make too much of it and you can't argue the merits one way or another with a man of his capability and experience if so.
We just have to try and get over the line in one of these fixtures sooner or later given the damning statistics. If we improve our record more generally then it will mean we are beginning to compete. When all is said and done our record reflects a side that has been almost permanently inferior in playing terms over an extended period but it does not explain why our record is not just expectedly bad, but embarassing and appalling.
It doesn’t “contradict” it because they are two entirely different things.
Of course every game is a “must win” game to those of us who care.
But they are only of importance to us in the context of that particular game.
We haven’t had a “must win” game in the accepted sense of the world.....i.e. a massive game which impacts on football in wider sense...in absolute yonks.
I would suggest since the United semi final in 2016 and before that the Crystal Palace home game in 2014 which we lost when a victory would have almost certainly seen us qualify for the CL
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