Who will finish 4th?

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you could be going into the last month with nothing to play for if you're out of the FA Cup and CL ha.

so far ahead of 4th and so far behind 2nd. if you would have spent £16m on an actual goalscorer rather than welbeck then i think you could have pushed city this season - you still can of course, just think they'll have too much when they get their act together.
It doesn't really matter how much we spend on strikers, we would still get battered away from home against the top teams. Look at United, they spent a fortune on strikers but teams still cut through them like a knife through butter.

The thing is, Arsenal always had a crap defence, but in the Fabregas era that didn't matter because we retained a lot of possession. You can play with a crap defence if your opponent only sees the ball around 30% of the time. But after Fabregas left, we struggled badly against top teams, because we can't defend and we also can't keep the ball, it's as simple as that. We need to replace our midfield options to stand any chance of another PL.
 
The increase in domestic money compared with Champions League money is making the league more competitive this season.

A few years ago the extra £30M from Uefa was massive for the top 4. Now that £30M is relatively less. Still significant, but maybe less so. The Sky money is so large now that the Uefa money is not as decisive. Maybe the rich clubs will use sponsorship to pull away again, so the exposure of playing Champions League is still vital, but for sure the lesser teams have far more talent than before.

Nearly all teams have very skillful players that can hurt you. The approach of QPR at Old Trafford is the exception rather than the rule these days.

4th? Probably Arsenal
 
It doesn't really matter how much we spend on strikers, we would still get battered away from home against the top teams. Look at United, they spent a fortune on strikers but teams still cut through them like a knife through butter.

The thing is, Arsenal always had a crap defence, but in the Fabregas era that didn't matter because we retained a lot of possession. You can play with a crap defence if your opponent only sees the ball around 30% of the time. But after Fabregas left, we struggled badly against top teams, because we can't defend and we also can't keep the ball, it's as simple as that. We need to replace our midfield options to stand any chance of another PL.

He's welsh. He's not going to agree with you that it's ramsey's fault.
 
It doesn't really matter how much we spend on strikers, we would still get battered away from home against the top teams. Look at United, they spent a fortune on strikers but teams still cut through them like a knife through butter.

The thing is, Arsenal always had a crap defence, but in the Fabregas era that didn't matter because we retained a lot of possession. You can play with a crap defence if your opponent only sees the ball around 30% of the time. But after Fabregas left, we struggled badly against top teams, because we can't defend and we also can't keep the ball, it's as simple as that. We need to replace our midfield options to stand any chance of another PL.

yeah, thought you should/would have gone for ender.

this is why i continually think wenger is holding arsenal back - he fails to address the same problems season after season, possibly through stubborness because the media keep pointing out these things to him.

also you drew with us this season, so you don't always get battered away at top teams (y)
 
also you drew with us this season, so you don't always get battered away at top teams ;)
We got battered, it shouldn't have been a draw we both know it

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That is OK Red, we'll just have to take the 3 point off you at the Emirates in February instead;)
It'll end as a draw you wait and see :D

I couldn't even sleep after Deulofeu equalized last time, that was a shocking goal to concede I could actually see the goal coming. When Barkley picked up the ball, I just kept shouting TAKE HIM OUT, TAKE HIM OUT!!!1 If we had someone like Thiago Motta he wouldn't hesitate, Barkley would be brought down, take the yellow card for the team and get the 3 points. But we have the SPINELESS Arteta and Flamini in midfield. It just gets the worse the more I look at the goal:

 
For me utd and arsenal will be battling for 3rd and 4th with the obvious teams 1st and 2nd.any manager worth his salt could improve utd defensively and surely van gaal will address it in january
 
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