Who let Everton/Koeman down?

[Bluerover]

This was always going to be a difficult window to be fair.

• Everyone has money, and is looking to spend
• some have European football
• some have London to offer
• We finished in the bottom half 2 seasons running

Despite the new era, it'll take more to convince players when they have other options.

I'm not bothered we didn't get Sissoko but what was his choice? North West at Everton, no Europe, or London with Champions League football. London wouldn't attract me personally but it is an attraction to most foreign players.

Out of the players who did move, I'm disappointed we didn't get Bony or Hart but it seems we weren't even in for them anyway. I think the rebuilding will take a little longer than perhaps us fans had hoped, but hopefully by the time the next window comes along, we'll be in a better position to bring quality in, and have the staff in place to get them.

Overall the window was decent, just the deadline day wasn't.

Agree almost totally - I wasn't disappointed about Hart or Bony, and btw I think we swerved Sissoko!!

We need to build steadily, maintain this solid start and then look to recruit as a top 6 Club rather than the bottom half that we have been for the past two seasons.

Heavy dose of realistic medicine is required for many on here.

Those of us around for six decades are perhaps more sanguine!!

 

[dholliday]

So the Sissoko £30m bid was bogus then?

There's nothing to suggest that cash was the reason our moves fell short.

On the contrary there is everything to suggest we didn't actually have real money to spend (see how things started happening after the Stones sale for one).

Clubs claiming publicly they've made bids can be mutually beneficial for many reasons, the fact remains money wasn't spent, and with the sums going round half of Europe would've been theoritically available.

 

[flibbyflob]

Guess we won't know if the money is there until we actually spend some be it in January or next summer but the fact is it looks like we had to sell to buy once again despite all the thoughts of a new dawn under a new regime which turned out to be totally false. If we are going to spend money then I presume that the people negotiating the deals in future will be changed and we will actually have somebody in charge who is competent and not a buffoon.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

On the contrary there is everything to suggest we didn't actually have real money to spend (see how things started happening after the Stones sale for one).

Clubs claiming publicly they've made bids can be mutually beneficial for many reasons, the fact remains money wasn't spent, and with the sums going round half of Europe would've been theoritically available.

I think it's a lazy assumption personally, which if correct would make Moshiri a liar, as he stated there'd be additional funds available for transfers, beyond the existing revenue streams.

I'm not going to chuck that accusation round based on what happened in his first window at the club.

 

[streeky]

Not too bothered myself, really. This window was always going to be a free for all and i'm glad we havn't signed any mercinaries or overpriced you tube superstars. As soon a spurs came in for Sissoko he was always going one way, champions league and a chance of living in haampstead would have done the job. We need to build the results, get the ground sorted and the better players will come. Glad we can all concentrate on our great start and getting Elstone out.

 

[toffee matt]

We got around 80 million from TV rights alone this season. Of course there was money to spend.

Its how we've handled it that's the problem

 

[dholliday]

Has anyone wondered why there were so many African footballers involved in transfer sagas this summer? The answer is agent networks, and certain agent networks are more partial to mutually-beneficial public bids than others.

Steve Walsh was supposed to help us widen the net, look beyond these networks. Had he had real money to spend I'm sure he would've done.

I think it's a lazy assumption personally, which if correct would make Moshiri a liar, as he stated there'd be additional funds available for transfers, beyond the existing revenue streams.

I'm not going to chuck that accusation round based on what happened in his first window at the club.

 

[dholliday]

We got around 80 million from TV rights alone this season. Of course there was money to spend.

Its how we've handled it that's the problem

This money isn't forced to be used for players, the owner(s) can pocket most of it if they want to.

 

[BornBlue76]

...
- it wasn't ideal that Walsh came in during a transfer window with no preparation time or agreement on strategy/policy. Walsh now has time ahead of the next window to define requirements and target new players.

I'm not actually buying this one... He came from the premiership champs and would have had a list of players they would be chasing. Our needs actually were not to different. They brought in 2 strikers. Yes they have the benefit of CL but neither was out of our price range and it appears we didn't even try for either of them. Did he literally only have Gueye up his sleeve?

Ask me who I blame - fully and squarely on Walsh and Bill.

 

[arch stanton]

I'm not really 4rsed about yesterday, we lost stones, i'd rather him have stayed but once he said he wanted to go for the second summer running, we had no choice. Really glad we swerved Hart and Sissoko, I'd have liked to have seen Bony but RK and SW know more than me. Lets crack on with the football now, we've had a decent start, the players we have pulled in look to have improved us. Things could be worse.

 

[BlueStevie35]

I think everybody should take some responsibility for what happened in all fairness. What should be absolutely clear is change needed at the top, boot Suntan out the door ASAP and anyone else who remain from the old reign. Moshiri showed some naivety with his statements but I think time has come for him to up his stake and retire Bill to an honorary, non influential role. Koeman and Walsh need to have a definitive strategy put in place now for January to ensure the same mistakes aren't repeated and lastly the fans need to temper our expectations and realise how much of a rebuild it's going to be, stop getting carried away with wild speculation and wait for actualities (it's disturbing how many fans on here and social media were more bothered about their reputations being dented from bragging about stuff that never transpired than actually getting behind the club)

 

[Tricky Trevor 7]

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We then signed Bolasie.

After signing Bolasie, Koeman said;





On Friday



This is the clubs manager, and majority shareholder openly admitting they need to strengthen the squad - after we signed Bolasie.

It's a fair assumption then, that the club didn't leverage the transfer window as well as they expected and that both Moshiri and Koeman will be a tad annoyed this morning. Koeman admitted himself he'd be disappointed.

So, how do Everton learn from it? Who at Everton is responsible for our transfer shenanigans?

Moshiri tells us it's Kenwright, with support from himself, Steve Walsh and Ronald Koeman.

Since Moshiri come in, with the exception of Alexander Ryazantsev joining the board who has no experience in football - he's kept faith with the existing regime. He promoted Elstone and Barrett-Baxendale to the board. Does Moshiri now have a mandate for change?

"If a player doesn't want to join, what can we do?"
"If a bigger club comes in and takes our transfers, what can we do?"

Appreciate these views, but for me - that is part of the process. Competition/scoping out players who will come and navigating the minefield and murky world of football agents.

Too many times does it seem we've been made a patsy. Forget Sissoko. That was a last minute, panic. I'm not convinced we should be throwing that type of money at a player who the clubs manager wouldn't have had the opportunity to even meet face to face. That failing is just one of many.

So then, I'll wrap up with.

• Who is to blame for Koeman being left - in his own words - "disappointed"
• Should Moshiri be making changes to the transfer way of working at Everton?

It's the same old , happens every season. God it's hard being an evertonian !

 

[dholliday]

the fact is it looks like we had to sell to buy once again despite all the thoughts of a new dawn under a new regime which turned out to be totally false.

aye...the sheer perfect timing of us splashing out only once Stones was sold is too fantastic to be a coincidence.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Has anyone wondered why there were so many African footballers involved in transfer sagas this summer? The answer is agent networks, and certain agent networks are more partial to mutually-beneficial public bids than others.

Steve Walsh was supposed to help us widen the net, look beyond these networks. Had he had real money to spend I'm sure he would've done.

Right oh mate

 

[dholliday]

@davek we were at loggerheads during Bill's era but my thinking there was we knew what our expectations were, what his capabilities were, so he mostly got a pass from me.

Moshiri has a hell of a lot to prove in the next two windows.