Who let Everton/Koeman down?

[ToffeeTim]

It was your fault Tim

just admit it.

you have really ballsed up this transfer window

please stay away from the next one

Sorry mate x

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I dont really understand the whole transfer process and how different people become involved. I know the rules state that the two clubs are the first point of contact but beyond that it's patchy.

Does the Everton employee who negotiates the fee also negotiate with the player's agent? Do we have a team for this even?

I'm curious as to what happened to these players who were agreeable to the move and then changed their mind? Did Everton assign new staff to manage the transfers at some point in the process? Did we assume the deals were done and move our best negotiators onto someone else?

Surely at some point, Moshiri must have looked at these deals and realised they were not progressing to completion quickly enough?

Ironically maybe the late signing of our DOF was a portent of what was to come.

 

[Joey66]

I'm a bit confused by the negativity if I'm honest? If you compare against last season you have a far better manager tactically, you have a better goalkeeper in Stekelenburg, a solid centre half to replace Stones in Williams, a striker to put pressure on Lukaku and essentially a new signing in Kevin Mirallas. All in all there's a far more solid feel to the Everton team, coupled with a manager who will have his team well marshalled. I see nothing less than a top 8 finish for Everton this season.....

I agree but Koemans words after last Sat -3 or more players to fetch in whoops!

 

[Hong Kong Bluey]

Timing. New tv deal means all clubs making crazy big sighnings. Same time Stones sold for lots, Koeman & Walsh relatively late appointments, new owners spout that we now have money. But our attractiveness as a club not that great, lets be honest here, unless big money goes to selling club and player.
Result is Sissoko for 30mil type deals.
We need to demonstrate solid progress over next year or two, and trust the new team to do their jobs.
Meanwhile we have a manager that's started well, players that are clearly happier, fitter, decent start to the season. Fixture list means we could, just maybe, be in top 3 in November. Not bad.
Cheer up Blues

 

[hibbo'sclass]

I'm gonna write something to bore anyone who reads it later but ultimately this must be used as a learning curve and ultimatum to those making the transfers. If you're scrambling around on deadline day then that means you've failed regardless.

I look forward to Koeman's comments at the next press conference as he's not shy and will be interesting to see if he uses it to place pressure on above as he's used them previously to put pressure on certain players.

Can we have lots and lots of pictures please?
Or a graph - I love a graph?

 

[AaronTheBlue]

I think some clear roles and responsibilities need to be ironed out.

We are told BK and Elstone arent taking any part in transfer business; then who is?

If its Steve Walsh then he has failed miserably this window.
If its Ryanstev (sp) then I can almost forgive as its the first time he has gone through a window as a negotiator of players.

I doubt its Koeman or Moshiri.

Who is it?

Both elstone and kenwright were involved in transfers and their track record for making mistakes speaks for its self.

They both need to be let go kenwright can be life president or something but elstone needs sacking immediately

 

[chicoazul]

Can we have lots and lots of pictures please?
Or a graph - I love a graph?

No graphs, but quotes and photos are contained. Writing it now, as always struggling to deliver my point and as a result skirting the fence tightly.

 

[nsno-chris]

No graphs, but quotes and photos are contained. Writing it now, as always struggling to deliver my point and as a result skirting the fence tightly.

Get off the fence lad, pick a side. When civil war comes'a'knocking you need some brothers in arms

 

[Telford-Feb-85]

We are about as appealing as 'tripe soup' at the moment, until that changes we'll struggle.

Could be worse, we could have just spent 30 mil on Luiz.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

No graphs, but quotes and photos are contained. Writing it now, as always struggling to deliver my point and as a result skirting the fence tightly.

No graphs, no read. Pffft

 

[bluelegend]

The previous manager has let them down......made the club look like fawlty towers hiding [Poor language removed] everywhere - the Niasse siging reminds me of the episode with O'Reilly the builder!!!. Throw in obvious incompetence from the negotiators and we have meltdown. Only hope is that the key personnel dig in and help re-build us - Koeman, Walsh, Moshiri, Barkley and Lukaku. Get Elstone out now.

 

[chicoazul]

No graphs, no read. Pffft

A wise choice if sir may say so himself.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Imagine you are a manager of an engineering firm. You place a requisition order in for a ton of high quality steel. At 5mins to deadline 1/2 ton of steel in the yard and the supply team rolls in with a barrowload of scrap metal bought off a dodgy geezer down south. Do You A.. Commiserate with them . Or B...sack em?

 

[BlueLlama]

Think we were very naive this window. It reminded me of Rodgers first window with the RS. Spent far too much time dancing with players who were unrealistic and we're basically using us to get better deals elsewhere.
By the time the penny dropped we left it too late to get in the extra quality we needed. The delay spent sorting out Walsh"s appointment cost us too.
The window wasn't a total washout. I'm very happy with the players we bought and I'm glad that we didn't splash stupid money on turd like Rodgers did after he got caught out
Yesterday was a huge anticlimax but I genuinely believe we will learn from this and bring in more in January

 

[Ashtonian]

I dont really understand the whole transfer process and how different people become involved. I know the rules state that the two clubs are the first point of contact but beyond that it's patchy.

Does the Everton employee who negotiates the fee also negotiate with the player's agent? Do we have a team for this even?

I'm curious as to what happened to these players who were agreeable to the move and then changed their mind? Did Everton assign new staff to manage the transfers at some point in the process? Did we assume the deals were done and move our best negotiators onto someone else?

Surely at some point, Moshiri must have looked at these deals and realised they were not progressing to completion quickly enough?

Ironically maybe the late signing of our DOF was a portent of what was to come.

Juat blind faith from Moshiri mate. Putting the trust in Bill and co to get these deals done and clearly there was a huge error of judgement there. Similar to Ed Woodward over at united, they trusted him to be able to do the job and he massively struggled by himself.

I just think that overall the failure stemmed from lack of planning from all round. At some point over 2 months when these higher calibre players like witsel and mata decide they aren't going to sign, most people would say ok, let us negotiate the lower end of the list and at least get the players in whilst we still have time. the fact that people on the business side thought chasing players from napoli and porto for example up until the end would be a good idea is just examples of how badly they did at the job.

I would even argue to a certain extent that Koeman did not ask for Valencia, and he was brought in as a body for the squad out of desperation, but i have no proof on that so opinion only haha