Where will the club be in 5 years time. I see no strategy.

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billycopper said:
So you're a major company looking to tie up a shirt sponsorship deal. Why would you choose a team from the sixth largest city in England, who are arguably overshadowed by their near neighbours, who haven't won anything in close to two decades, who infrequently compete in European competition, who are only the seventh most televised club in the league and whos fans, demographically, are not that sought after by advertisers?
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Sunderlands deal is worth 5x what our current deal is & their deal is with a company promoting African investment, which I doubt is aimed at the average mackem punter

We've underperformed in this area & our current deal with Chang looks poor compared to most of our peers. Did we work hard enough to promote the club to potential corporate sponsors? or did we just sit round the table with Chang & take a rather poor looking deal? Only those involved know the true answer to that.
 

On the pitch we have the strongest team i can remember, but off the pitch we are more vulnerable than ever. Without investment i think the club could go from a strong team challenging for 4th to relegation candidates very quickly.

David Moyes knows that within the current budgets + restraints he has taken Everton as far as he can. He's right. Without investment then there is nothing more Moyes can do here. He's been here 10-11 years, he's been very loyal, he hasn't moaned about lack of money and has waited very patiently for Bill and the board to deliver the investment needed to take Everton into the top 4 and it hasn't arrived and doesn't look like arriving. I think had Tottenham offered him the job, he'd have taken it and i think if a really good job comes around from a top club with ambition then he'll be off. I can't blame him. He's done everything right at Everton and it's the failure of the chairman and the board to find investment.

If Moyes goes then so do the likes of Fellani and Baines IMO and if we lose these two players, Everton are a very different team. Who could we realistically appoint after Moyes? Lambert, Adkins, Steve Clarke, Chris Hughton? Will any of those be able to do what Moyes has done on such a tight budget?

Everton are a team perfectly placed for investment. We have one of the best young (ish) managers in the league with a track record of consistently good league positions and we have a great squad that can get better. Imagine what Moyes could do if someone handed him £30 million?

Stadium is a huge problem, we need a new one and that costs serious money and must be the thing that puts off potential investors. Arsenal must have got very lucky to find a site available for a brand new stadium in a city like London with land and property prices the way they are. How can we not find a suitable site for a new stadium within the city limits?

I understand that the vast majority of takeovers are utterly disastrous and the board need to be very careful not to sell to a Venkys or Gaydamak but there must be someone out there who sees the potential in this football club?

Although i always look at Villa and Lerner. On paper he seemed to be the perfect person to come in and buy a premier league football club, but all he has done is strip the club of every major asset they had and not replace them. So on the flips side, be careful what you wish for.

So to answer the question. I see Everton struggling towards the bottom of the Premier League in 5 years time. Moyes long gone and the current board still failing to do anything to develop the football club. Hope i'm wrong.
 

davek said:
:lol:

^^^^ "Yes there's been failure, but Bill shouldn't have to take full responsibility...we have to place it into context. If we only appreciated that the City of Liverpool has only room for one football club, that the world-wide recession targeted Everton in particular and rolled over us like a tsunami, and that despite all this Bill's still been able to inspire top half of the table finishes. In fact, what am I talking about...Bill's been a success, not a failure."


As I said: contrarian.
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There are no shades of grey with you, are there?
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Sunderlands deal is worth 5x what our current deal is & their deal is with a company promoting African investment, which I doubt is aimed at the average mackem punter

We've underperformed in this area & our current deal with Chang looks poor compared to most of our peers. Did we work hard enough to promote the club to potential corporate sponsors? or did we just sit round the table with Chang & take a rather poor looking deal? Only those involved know the true answer to that.
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Fair point. I wonder whether their advisor, David Milliband, had anything to do with it? Obviously if we had a deal for more money on the table we would have taken it over Chang. It's a buyers market at the moment, as broadcasters and printed media are well aware. Maybe we have accepted what Chang offered without trying to find another sponsor? It's another one of those things that we'll never know the answer to.
 
Howards tipple said:
Lets be honest, until we get a new ground, we aren't getting more money.
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Sorry to pick this one quote out but I hear this opinion a lot.

Say we had a new ground (not in Kirkby nor a once in a million one at Kings Dock - but say a more standard block model on Edge Lane) would we all of a sudden get more fans through the gate? Or more corporates? The first I can see for the attractive games but am not convinced we have a huge ramp of companies wanting to shell out for sposnorships and hospitality.
 
billycopper said:
There are no shades of grey with you, are there?
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On Kenwright it is black and white. There are no redeeeming factors at play with him. He's so obviously failed to move Everton on. Look at the stadium; look at the finances, look at the lack of success.

The only way anyone could suggest it isn't so would be to do what you've been doing: claiming Moyes' efforts to stabilise the club as being also Kenwright's. But he's done nothing of the sort. He's made the environment for the manager to do his job worse by at first refusing to hand over control of the club in an earlier period when he was in control, then embroiling the club with shareholders who now control us and have no interest in our well being and who wont leave until they get a kings ransom.

The worst thing to happen to Everton for over a century was when he cobbled together that consortium in 1999 to takeover...and that's from someone who thought at the time it'd be the start of a bright new era!
 
13 Years to find a new owner, to take us forward...nothing, nothing but empty promises, undeserved personal gongs and empty trophy cabinets.

Lower the sale price and let this club move forward.
 
davek said:
billycopper: "I'm by no means a supporter of Kenwright's". Lol.

Thing is mate, you can contextualise all you like but the crushing failure of the Kenwright ownership years are there for al to see -

  • no success on the stadium front
  • zero investment
  • sale of nearly all tangible assets
  • debt increased
  • tied into poor commercial deals
  • no silverware

What have you got to hold onto in terms of a substantial counter-argument? It appears to basically boil down to claiming for Kenwright what are, in reality, Moyes' achievements.

It's been 13 years of wasted opportunity and wasted resources....it's been an utter failure.

Finesse away, but there's no getting round that. Only a contrarian would argue the opposite viewpoint.
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You really are a whopper of the highest order. Get you with your fancy lists as well!

I don't class myself as a Kenwright supporter. I accept he's the chairman/owner and my love is for the club no more no less.

You seem to have this fantastical view of the club which I suggest is wrapped in nostalgia. When Kenwright took over the club was on its arse. We swerved relegation by the skin of our teeth. He said from the outset he didn't have millions and billions to put in. Where was his competition to take over the club from Johnson? No where to be seen. So how/why is he being crucified for not pulling a load of rabbits out of the hat? I can't be arsed with your smarty bullet points but will make do:

1. I accept not getting Kings Dock was a missed opportunity but I don't know the full story
2. Kenwright said he wasn't a billionnaire. I don't see or hear of a queue of other investors at the door
3. The likes of Finch Farm is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. We have a buy back clause
4. Debt has increased but team/squad much better. Would you rather no debt and a crap team?
5. Who are you to say poor commercial deals? And why is that Kenwright's personal fault? Do you think the folk at the club go out of their way to try and get crap deals?
6. Failing at a few FA Cup runs has been gutting for everyone. If we'd have held on to the Saha lead against Chelsea or actually turned up against the RS last season - would that now make Kenwright a success? **** happens in sport

It's very easy to try and look like a smart arse but sometimes facts are harder to deal with. Enjoy spinning those lines and congrats again on the bullet points.
 

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