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[bicycleheader]

I'll always hold my hands up when I'm wrong on something. When I am wrong I'll no doubt inform you personally mate.

Maybe you should try it as well sometimes.

You are wrong

You are other things too, but I'd like to concentrate mainly on your wrongness about this

 

[Jebus_lives]

This thread about a riot outside a hotel in Kirby, has suddenly arrived at black on black crime in the USA and "why does everything have to be about race and BLM?!?"

Entirely introduced into the thread by @ForeverBlue92 who has "no dog in the fight" about race and culture wars.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

No, but when police officers in the US are eight times more likely to kill an unarmed black person than a white person, it's a conclusion to be considered.

When per capita, a person of colour is three times more likely to be arrested than a white person for the same crime, it's a conclusion to be considered.

When a person of colour is likely to receive nearly three times the length of custodial sentence than a white person, it's a conclusion to be considered.

We could also talk about the disproportionate numbers of people of colour in prisons, on death row and those proven to have suffered a miscarriage of justice.

There is no proof that the individual officer(s) acted due to his race, but statistically the evidence would suggest it's likely it may have - consciously or not.

In terms of the last one, until race isn't an issue (as proven by the statistics) it definitely should be brought up. It may not always be the factor in a case...

... but as a whole it is. So back to my original point, maybe if black people weren't more likely to be killed when unarmed it wouldn't need to be brought up.

Cause and effect - deal with the root issue rather than trying to blame those who are facing the injustice.

But could it be argued in the inner cities the areas most involved in gang/gun crime are predominority lived in by minority groups therefore cops over there have a subjective bias when stopping say a young hispanic kid covered in tattoos from a rough part of town known for gangs to say a white kid from the outer suburbs ? Im not saying its right but there are other factors involved other than crooked white cops driving around looking to murder the first minority person they find which is what you would think listening to some of these groups. But people love the simplistic view that generates the most outrage/moral panic.

Personally I would hate to be a cop in the States as they must be paranoid that everyones packing heat.

Stoking divisions between race groups, genders and so on is done purposely by the elite, media, lobby groups for different reasons and people fall for it all the time sadly.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Is there any proof that the officer who killed George Floyd did it purely on race though ?

iirc didn't he have 20+ complaints made against him of man handling numerous people ranging from black/hispanic/white ?

Im not saying it wasn't racially motivated but regardless the fact he was white and the 5 officers involved in the latest incident were black draws a completely different reaction from the group who supposedly care about black lives and police violence.

Our whole society is gas lit by agenda and lobby groups raking in £££ off suffering and division.

There is good and bad people of all colours I dont get the constant need to bring race into everything.

So why are you?

 

[coollino]

I am trying to look it up, but can't find it. Can you point me to your source?

Would you say the UK mainstream media are pro people of colour?

You seem to have ignored these two @ForeverBlue92

 

[JimmyJeffers]

He’ll sneak off after being made a fool of and again take no responsibility for any of the nonsense and lies he has posted. He’ll be back in a week or so and hope everyone has forgotten. Is typical behaviour.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I agree with a lot of that post mate - but answer me this:

Why wont the poor kid murdered by the 5 policer officers get a statue, why wasn't there global protests and BLM activists toppling statues and burning down innocent peoples businesses ?

We know the answer to that and its down to skin colour not because of a black person losing their life.

People pick and choose when to make something about race and it dissapoints me that society only cares to push hot agendas than actually trying to change things for the better.

I've read this bit 5 times and I truly don't know what you mean here.

I've a strong feeling you've hit the bong hard today and are laughing your tits off, like.

 

[Nymzee]

He’ll sneak off after being made a fool of and again take no responsibility for any of the nonsense and lies he has posted. He’ll be back in a week or so and hope everyone has forgotten. Is typical behaviour.

You can't use the PC's as freely during the week in prison.

 

[PhilM]

But could it be argued in the inner cities the areas most involved in gang/gun crime are predominority lived in by minority groups therefore cops over there have a subjective bias when stopping say a young hispanic kid covered in tattoos from a rough part of town known for gangs to say a white kid from the outer suburbs ? Im not saying its right but there are other factors involved other than crooked white cops driving around looking to murder the first minority person they find which is what you would think listening to some of these groups. But people love the simplistic view that generates the most outrage/moral panic.

Personally I would hate to be a cop in the States as they must be paranoid that everyones packing heat.

Stoking divisions between race groups, genders and so on is done purposely by the elite, media, lobby groups for different reasons and people fall for it all the time sadly.

So when they're concerned that everyone is packing heat, they miraculously decide to shoot more black people than 'Hispanic kid(s) covered in tattoos'?

More so than white kids? That is racial bias. It also ignores all my previous points about why certain ethnicities are living in the worst conditions with the US.

Maybe, again, that's racial bias.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You can't use the PC's as freely during the week in prison.

Speaking from experience there ?

 

[Nymzee]

Speaking from experience there ?

Not personally, just what my source told me about your day-to-day activities inside.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So when they're concerned that everyone is packing heat, they miraculously decide to shoot more black people than 'Hispanic kid(s) covered in tattoos'?

More so than white kids? That is racial bias.

But is more black kids in gangs than white kids ?

Whether we like it or not bias of any kind exists especially in high pressured jobs.

I got stopped by police once because I was riding round Kirkdale on a bike around 1 in the morning.

If I was riding around somewhere like Woolton or if I was a female would I have been stopped ?

Probably not.

Police are human they'll make assumptions and judgements like we all do - some they'll get right others wrong.

You cant just decide a whole organisation is bad because of a mistake or an assumption.

 

[PhilM]

But is more black kids in gangs than white kids ?

Whether we like it or not bias of any kind exists especially in high pressured jobs.

I got stopped by police once because I was riding round Kirkdale on a bike around 1 in the morning.

If I was riding around somewhere like Woolton or if I was a female would I have been stopped ?

Probably not.

Police are human they'll make assumptions and judgements like we all do - some they'll get right others wrong.

Like when doctors send younger people home with some calpol then weeks later they're diagnosed with terminal cancer based on the bias that the younger you are the less likely that mild symptoms are to be of anything serious.

You cant just decide a whole organisation is bad because of a mistake or an assumption.

But, I'll ask again, why is an unarmed black person eight times more likely to be killed by the police than a white person? Eight times. That's not a mistake.

Nor is it an assumption, but rather it's a bona fide mathematical fact. The only logical assumption is that race is a deciding factor.

 

[IrishBlue2022]

But is more black kids in gangs than white kids ?

Whether we like it or not bias of any kind exists especially in high pressured jobs.

I got stopped by police once because I was riding round Kirkdale on a bike around 1 in the morning.

If I was riding around somewhere like Woolton or if I was a female would I have been stopped ?

Probably not.

Police are human they'll make assumptions and judgements like we all do - some they'll get right others wrong.

You cant just decide a whole organisation is bad because of a mistake or an assumption.

Tell more

 

[coollino]

You seem to have ignored these two @ForeverBlue92