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Sorry, Jim.
Not one of your better efforts.
You fail to mention the way they have used the Hillsborough tragedy to project a holier than thou image to the world and the regular very public commemorations which they use as a platform to display their “specialness” as a club.
Remember how their manager was issuing statements about doing it for the “96 in the sky” when they were Easter champions four years ago?
Or the creepy wreath laying tour of disaster or terrorist sites on the eastern seaboard, claiming a unique empathy with the victims due to their own tragedy (not the other H word of course.....like all good revisionists that is airbrushed from the narrative)
As always, @davek put it best on the other thread earlier today.....LFC has “weaponised” Hillsborough both to broaden its appeal and to silence criticism in the press, the Daily Express being the latest target.
That club makes me sick.
The cringieness of everthing about it makes me thank my late, lamented and very dear arl dad every day for bringing me up he right way.
They may have won a lot more than us (though not in the last quarter century).....they may have one foot in the CL Final
(please God.....help Roma turn the buggers over in your own backyard)......we may be stuck with Big Sam
But I would never, ever want to change how I was brought up and been a Kopite instead.
Nor would I want Evertonians to perceived as Kopites are by the outside world.
Rant over.
And I look forward to reading your next effort, Jim.
They are (almost) always a very good read
As Khal calls it, never a truer word ever been said on this forum ‘But I would never, ever want to change how I was brought up and been a Kopite instead.’ Absolutely nails it for me.
Honestly, football is a social event to me with a little bit of passion attached, if you need the club you support to win stuff to be happy or fulfilled then you have bigger issues in life.
I would happily never see us lift a trophy again, if the payoff is throwing flares at buses, weaponizing the tragedy of 96 deaths to win an argument, taking hymn sheets to the game, and any other number of behaviors they I find embarrassing in anyone over the age of 21, it's not for me. I'll happily go the game, cheer if they give us something to cheer about, and have a few beers after with lads I've know for years then get on with the rest of my week. Getting all tribal and acting like it's life and death, hinting they if we don't we are responsible for Everton not winning stuff, it's all a bit too serious for me, and I'm not sure this article quite has it's finger on the pulse.
I would happily never see us lift a trophy again, if the payoff is throwing flares at buses, weaponizing the tragedy of 96 deaths to win an argument, taking hymn sheets to the game, and any other number of behaviors they I find embarrassing in anyone over the age of 21, it's not for me. I'll happily go the game, cheer if they give us something to cheer about, and have a few beers after with lads I've know for years then get on with the rest of my week. Getting all tribal and acting like it's life and death, hinting they if we don't we are responsible for Everton not winning stuff, it's all a bit too serious for me, and I'm not sure this article quite has it's finger on the pulse.
tommytowne
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I aspire to putting into practice what you so eloquently describe.
The sad reality with me is that even at an age when I should know better, I become a quivering wreck whenever we are playing, and do whatever I can to ensure that people will never forget that we were the original team in Liverpool.
MarkK1988
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id love to win something as a fan like but yeah i wouldnt swap places with them
i speak to reds who dont go the game who talk about how a goal went off in the pub. some of them dont fancy it cos they cant sit together etc at the match
loads dont bother having a pint before cos its that much of a day out for them they want to watch them warm up and stuff
i get to sit with my brother, one of my best mates and one of his best mates at the game.
the overall experience of being a blue for me feels much more like being a real fan than being a red
The Speke Spectre
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Struck a chord that.
Too cool for school, "kopite behaviour" and "Everton that..." lot certainly don't help. They'll be along shortly to comment with "why do you care about them" etc
Similar to what I was going to write.
It's great to laugh at their scarf swinging, noggies and big flags but truthfully the last time I remember Goodison having a good atmosphere was when we spanked City. Before that? The Gosling FA Cup game?
tommytowne
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Mine was the Lukaku double against Chelsea that evening in the cup.
MarkK1988
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chelsea 2-0 in the fa cup, chelsea at home 3-1 when naisy bagged the perfect hat trick are two between there off the top of my head
under martinez when we were good it was boss
we had a manager we loved, played nice footy had a boss chant for the manager
it clicked into place, we dont have any of that now but cant blag it was dead when things werent going well cos it simply isnt true
were a reactive fan base more than a pro active i suppose cos they try and generate it wheras we want the players to do it for us
saying that they only did it from the champs league quarters its hardly like that when they play someone at home in january
again this is a reactive subject because things are going so well for them and are a bit sh*t for us
The Speke Spectre
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There's something in that, and I do think it resonates to the players. Can you imagine being one of their players on a European night and letting the fans down? I'm sure it helped beat City and Roma.
Alanbileysfeathercut
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Kin hate them !
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I hate them with a passion.
You need passion in life.
I get none from Everton so bizarrely enough the RS fill a void of sorts in that respect.
It's only football. I can vent at them, take out my frustration from having a bad day etc.
If we were doing better then I wouldn't want them to fail as much as I do.
It's Everton's fault. Again.
You need passion in life.
I get none from Everton so bizarrely enough the RS fill a void of sorts in that respect.
It's only football. I can vent at them, take out my frustration from having a bad day etc.
If we were doing better then I wouldn't want them to fail as much as I do.
It's Everton's fault. Again.
Deckard2049
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This isn’t what the article is about though- at least not to my interpretation. We know what they’re all about off the pitch, but quite frankly it’s irrelevant. This article is talking about purely footballing matters, and in that field we are far behind them. Of course people will say things like “well at least we’re not murderers” and “I’d rather never see us win a trophy than be a kopite” etc etc, but again that misses the point and is a little silly (very silly). Similarly you get people acting like top 4 and champions league progression is something to be sniffed at- it really isn’t. Because if those things aren’t seen as successful, then Christ what’s the point in us even competing then? Shall we pack in now?
What can we learn from them is essentially the point of this article and quite simply it boils down to getting your setup correct. Get the manager right, the transfer strategy set up and then things on the pitch will improve. We’re both big clubs, but unfortunately we’ve had decades of people in charge not acting like it which sees us where we are now. When they got Klopp in they binned off the manager who came closest to winning them the league in decades. No hesitation. They saw a better option was available and made their move. Look at how long we dithered over replacing Koeman and look who we ended up with- it’s scary.
I’m off to Become a Marine FC fan
They got beat at home 0-4 last night. In the Liverpool Senior Cup final. By Prescot Cables. From the division below them...
I reckon you're cursed Bry.
brieverton
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They have certainly managed to exploit, deliberately or otherwise, the darker episodes in their history to their own advantage.
The cult of victimhood pervades much of their identity and the media have not only fallen for it, but have taken on the mantle of pushing it for them.
I still can't believe for their home game against City recently. I was half following it online, through the BBC football page and all of a sudden it stated "Radio 5Live falls silent for You'll Never Walk Alone" It was a football game for gods sake, not an act of homage at a war memorial. What is it that inspires this level of cultishness towards them?
They have made crying foul into an art form and respond vehemently and aggressively to anything perceived as being even mildly questioning of them or against them.
Fair play to them in one respect for that but I'm afraid they have to bear some indirect responsibility for that dreadful, appalling attack on one of their supporters the other evening.
You can't look the other way when a section of your fanbase has been incubating an atmosphere of fear and frenzy towards visiting teams and fans, heralded and publicised in advance, promoted on social media, in full media glare and with nobody to take a stand against it, and then wonder why that poor unfortunate chap found himself on the receiving end of such viciousness and thuggery.
The cult of victimhood pervades much of their identity and the media have not only fallen for it, but have taken on the mantle of pushing it for them.
I still can't believe for their home game against City recently. I was half following it online, through the BBC football page and all of a sudden it stated "Radio 5Live falls silent for You'll Never Walk Alone" It was a football game for gods sake, not an act of homage at a war memorial. What is it that inspires this level of cultishness towards them?
They have made crying foul into an art form and respond vehemently and aggressively to anything perceived as being even mildly questioning of them or against them.
Fair play to them in one respect for that but I'm afraid they have to bear some indirect responsibility for that dreadful, appalling attack on one of their supporters the other evening.
You can't look the other way when a section of your fanbase has been incubating an atmosphere of fear and frenzy towards visiting teams and fans, heralded and publicised in advance, promoted on social media, in full media glare and with nobody to take a stand against it, and then wonder why that poor unfortunate chap found himself on the receiving end of such viciousness and thuggery.
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