What Are The Neighbours Up To?

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I begrudgingly admire the past success of their teams from the 70s etc. But after Heysel and the fall out, I started disliking them thoroughly and my eyes were opened.

It's their enritled arrogant thug fans I dislike like most, then their line of snidey cheating players chosen to fit the club, then their cocky arrogant managers chosen to fit the club, then their legion of fans in the supposedly unbiased media and finally the way they mawkishly sentimentally cry for attention through the media every time there's an unfortunate incident to "one if theirs"

A curse on their foettid stinking corrupt house.
 
Top 4 isn't success though, well it is for them, but I wouldn't celebrate that myself, I'd be happy of the money it brings in only.

Not comparing it to our situation just saying I'm hardly envious of that record. It's rather not have all the disappointments they've had of getting so close and bottling it time after time. It's tougher to take than getting knocked out in the early rounds.

lets face is it is success in the modern game, attracts better players more money prestige of playing champions league football.
if wed have got it martinez first season for example wed have been buzzing.
 
lets face is it is success in the modern game, attracts better players more money prestige of playing champions league football.
if wed have got it martinez first season for example wed have been buzzing.

Yeah, but you look at Leicester and bam, success from nowhere, didn't need any champions league to steadily progress. Whereas spurs and RS have been steadily progressing for a good few years now, their best players being picked off nearly every year (more so in the RS' case tbf), but what do they have to show for it? Constantly falling short.
 
I begrudgingly admire the past success of their teams from the 70s etc. But after Heysel and the fall out, I started disliking them thoroughly and my eyes were opened.

It's their enritled arrogant thug fans I dislike like most, then their line of snidey cheating players chosen to fit the club, then their cocky arrogant managers chosen to fit the club, then their legion of fans in the supposedly unbiased media and finally the way they mawkishly sentimentally cry for attention through the media every time there's an unfortunate incident to "one if theirs"

A curse on their foettid stinking corrupt house.

Yep, reading the BBC updates yesterday through the arsenal match ... They're all on there "I'm a Liverpool fan...arsenal are going to rule these chances".

Why the [Poor language removed] does it matter? They always put #ynwa or #jft96 at the end of everything, it's just odd. Most of them won't know anything about Hillsborough, it's just an insecurity about not belonging.

"can't believe what's happened to the twin towers #ynwa"

"Osama bin ladin has been found dead #jft96"

"World War one is officially over #ynwa"

Just weird. So yeah that's what's up with the "neighbours"... who are neighbours in nothing but location..
 
They’re on a knife edge. I don’t think there’s any great strategy there apart from they got Klopp and basically do whatever he wants. Winning the CL could change that for them but in terms of the league they’ve been on the same trajectory they’ve been on for the last 28 years floating between the third and 6th best teams in the country at any given point. Their appeal is fading as time goes on but they always seem to pull out a Hail Mary move just as you think the end is inevitable, there always seems to be a Suarez or a Salah who over perform when they need it, or a piss easy run to a trophy to keep them relevant.

Do I think they’re set up for long term success the same way United and City are? No. I even think Arsenal and Chelsea are also better placed strategically in terms of their stadia and finances. Are they still capable of one off trophy wins that just increase the media love in with them? Yes.

The final could be crucial as @davek says. If they lose you can’t see Klopp landing the league in the near future, another fortuitous CL run would also be unlikely. There’s be questions over where they are going and does Klopp have the ability and appetite to challenge United and City especially if those two hyper invest and Liverpool lose Salah. Of course if they win it then that might all change.

Klopp always seems a game or two away from either glory or just complete implosion. That’s not the Hall mark of a dynasty. Long term they have slipped away from the elite and are now in the territory of trying to stop the slide and each trophy chance being seismic for that reason. When they lost the league in 13/14 they knew they wouldn’t have a chance for a while afterwards. City and Chelsea know they will probably just pick it up the season after.
 
Everyone loves an underdog it's as simple as that. There the biggest team never to win the premier league. Hence why they have so many celebrity fans aswell.

Its like when Tim henman used to play tennis, everyone wanted him to win Wimbledon so badly, and the whole nation used to watch him, even people who didn't usually watch tennis.
 
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Call it age, call it maturity, call it apathy born from resignation, but the more time passes, the harder I’m finding it to summon up the all consuming loathing I once felt so passionately for the sh**e across the Park.

In the past, an event like their current European adventure, would have had me consumed with rage. This is Liverpool at their self-entitled worst, complete with a media machine genuflecting with slavish adoration. But although irritation unquestionably remains, the fire has ebbed. I no longer burn quite so bright with hate.

This new development has afforded me the opportunity to look at our neighbours properly for the first time. Not objectively, because such dispassionate neutrality would always been impossible, but perhaps with a more analytical eye. And as much as its sickens me, there’s a thing or two we could learn from them.

Say what you want about our neighbours (and I encourage you to comment below with some of the more offensive opinions) but there is little doubt that they have navigated the Premier League-era better than Everton. While no title has been won and their Football League dominance has dissipated, Liverpool have always remained amongst the higher reaches.

derby.jpg


It’s an awful term, but because of this, they have retained their ‘brand recognition’ both domestically and internationally. Liverpool are the sixth most popular football club in the world. More impressively, they are the only member of the top ten most popular clubs to have not won a league title in the past 25 years. Somehow, Liverpool have translated a lack of tangible success into significant off-the-field popularity. They have attracted glory hunters without achieving glory, which is no mean feat.

And this has an impact. This huge following is why they are televised disproportionately, why their commercial revenues are so large, why their international tours are sold out, why they are written about so frequently, why the media cares about them so much. As Blues we might mock the international flavour of Anfield on match days, but it’s this reach that has underwritten their ability to compete with the big guns for so long.

Although this appeal is unquestionably a legacy of their dominance in the 1970s and 1980s, the club has been adept at nurturing and expanding it. Fundamentally, by doing this, it speaks of a club that understands the importance of the commercial side of the game, something that has become even more apparent since FSG have arrived on the scene. Commercially, in recent years, Liverpool have morphed into a very savvy business. This aspect of the game might make traditionalists shudder but if you want to compete with the best, it matters. Liverpool’s cultivation and exploitation of a significant international fan-base illustrates that the club understands the way that football has changed and what is required for to remain competitive.

This professionalism is also evident in the way that FSG have come to understand recruitment. After a stuttering start, there is little question that they have begun to get it right. A mixture of youth, modestly priced recruits (by top flight standards) and expensive players of class has created a side that genuinely fills me with dread. And overseeing it all is a manager who is probably too good for the club. While Everton slum it with Allardyce, Liverpool have gone out and brought in one of Europe’s elite, a manager who could easily have found work with the likes of United, Bayern or Real. And the result is a side that stands on the precipice of a Champions League Final.

sam-allardyce2.jpg


And unquestionably, part of the draw for Klopp was the final element part of the jigsaw, the fans. We mock their flags, their flares, their self eulogising. And in all fairness, it probably warrants mocking. But at least it’s something. And it’s something that appealed to Klopp and to many people in the media who in turn seem disposed to fixate on the club. The phrase ‘a special night at Anfield’ exists as media lingo because the fans create the kind of spectacle that the media can readily buy into. Liverpool supporters are not better fans than us Blues, but right now they look better. There is nothing they do that we Evertonians can’t. But at the moment we don’t. Instead we laugh at them and retreat. We’re the sneery scallies in class laughing at the popular kids.

Despite the above, I do not want Everton to become Liverpool. For all that they have done right, there remains something hollow about them as a club. They are too commercial, too divorced from the community, too eager to embrace the international over the local.

evertonians.jpg


There also remains an unattractive sense of self entitlement that runs perniciously through the fanbase. Were Everton to reach a European final, we would likely be happy to be there. When Liverpool do it, there is a vicious sense of vindication, as though a footballing injustice has finally been put right. The humility of Evertonians is something we should never lose.

But just because they haven’t done everything right, doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong. On our doorstep is a football club that makes more money than us, that has a stronger international profile, that is adored by the media, that can attract players and managers it probably doesn’t deserve and which is followed by a fan-base that can create genuinely impressive atmospheres.

Rather than continually dismissing them, maybe we should take a moment to wonder why they do what we can’t. It’s the first desire of every Blue to see Everton back amongst the elite. But to do that we are going to have to start behaving like an elite club. Perhaps it’s time to look across the Park and see what the neighbours are up to?
Sold their Shankly red shight souls to himself in 1969...and its been paying off ever since.
 
On the pitch they are pretty much better in every way and have been for decades. They are one of the most successful clubs in European Football over the years and we simply aren't in the same tier as them for that.

That said, they are no where near as good as some make out and I think some of our fans show them too much respect. They are a fantastic attacking side, it simply cannot be argued. But are they that good a side all things considered? I don't think they are.
  • 18 points behind leaders Man City.
  • Knocked out of the FA Cup by bottom of the league West Brom at Anfield
  • Knocked out of the League Cup by current 9th placed Leicester
  • Failed to beat Man United in either game, who we're constantly told they are better than and that Man United are 'boring'.
  • Just gave up a 2 goal lead against bottom of the league West Brom
  • Haven't won a title for nearly 30 years.
They blow teams away in Europe, but they have done that for years, so it's nothing new. They won the CL in 04/05 so it's not like a Liverpool side who simply aren't good enough to win the league aren't capable of winning a cup competition.

Obviously it's a bitter pill to swallow that they are vastly superior to us and I don't think our fans could argue it. I have a grudging respect for the way they raise their game in big matches and the way they can win games as underdogs. It's in direct contrast to us.

But I despise pretty much everything they stand for as a club and I think they're massively over rated in the current era (e.g last 10-15 years) when you consider their 'peer group' of clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Bayern Munich and even Chelsea.
 
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What Are The Neighbours Up To?
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Call it age, call it maturity, call it apathy born from resignation, but the more time passes, the harder I’m finding it to summon up the all consuming loathing I once felt so passionately for the sh**e across the Park.

In the past, an event like their current European adventure, would have had me consumed with rage. This is Liverpool at their self-entitled worst, complete with a media machine genuflecting with slavish adoration. But although irritation unquestionably remains, the fire has ebbed. I no longer burn quite so bright with hate.

This new development has afforded me the opportunity to look at our neighbours properly for the first time. Not objectively, because such dispassionate neutrality would always been impossible, but perhaps with a more analytical eye. And as much as its sickens me, there’s a thing or two we could learn from them.

Say what you want about our neighbours (and I encourage you to comment below with some of the more offensive opinions) but there is little doubt that they have navigated the Premier League-era better than Everton. While no title has been won and their Football League dominance has dissipated, Liverpool have always remained amongst the higher reaches.

derby.jpg


It’s an awful term, but because of this, they have retained their ‘brand recognition’ both domestically and internationally. Liverpool are the sixth most popular football club in the world. More impressively, they are the only member of the top ten most popular clubs to have not won a league title in the past 25 years. Somehow, Liverpool have translated a lack of tangible success into significant off-the-field popularity. They have attracted glory hunters without achieving glory, which is no mean feat.

And this has an impact. This huge following is why they are televised disproportionately, why their commercial revenues are so large, why their international tours are sold out, why they are written about so frequently, why the media cares about them so much. As Blues we might mock the international flavour of Anfield on match days, but it’s this reach that has underwritten their ability to compete with the big guns for so long.

Although this appeal is unquestionably a legacy of their dominance in the 1970s and 1980s, the club has been adept at nurturing and expanding it. Fundamentally, by doing this, it speaks of a club that understands the importance of the commercial side of the game, something that has become even more apparent since FSG have arrived on the scene. Commercially, in recent years, Liverpool have morphed into a very savvy business. This aspect of the game might make traditionalists shudder but if you want to compete with the best, it matters. Liverpool’s cultivation and exploitation of a significant international fan-base illustrates that the club understands the way that football has changed and what is required for to remain competitive.

This professionalism is also evident in the way that FSG have come to understand recruitment. After a stuttering start, there is little question that they have begun to get it right. A mixture of youth, modestly priced recruits (by top flight standards) and expensive players of class has created a side that genuinely fills me with dread. And overseeing it all is a manager who is probably too good for the club. While Everton slum it with Allardyce, Liverpool have gone out and brought in one of Europe’s elite, a manager who could easily have found work with the likes of United, Bayern or Real. And the result is a side that stands on the precipice of a Champions League Final.

sam-allardyce2.jpg


And unquestionably, part of the draw for Klopp was the final element part of the jigsaw, the fans. We mock their flags, their flares, their self eulogising. And in all fairness, it probably warrants mocking. But at least it’s something. And it’s something that appealed to Klopp and to many people in the media who in turn seem disposed to fixate on the club. The phrase ‘a special night at Anfield’ exists as media lingo because the fans create the kind of spectacle that the media can readily buy into. Liverpool supporters are not better fans than us Blues, but right now they look better. There is nothing they do that we Evertonians can’t. But at the moment we don’t. Instead we laugh at them and retreat. We’re the sneery scallies in class laughing at the popular kids.

Despite the above, I do not want Everton to become Liverpool. For all that they have done right, there remains something hollow about them as a club. They are too commercial, too divorced from the community, too eager to embrace the international over the local.

evertonians.jpg


There also remains an unattractive sense of self entitlement that runs perniciously through the fanbase. Were Everton to reach a European final, we would likely be happy to be there. When Liverpool do it, there is a vicious sense of vindication, as though a footballing injustice has finally been put right. The humility of Evertonians is something we should never lose.

But just because they haven’t done everything right, doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong. On our doorstep is a football club that makes more money than us, that has a stronger international profile, that is adored by the media, that can attract players and managers it probably doesn’t deserve and which is followed by a fan-base that can create genuinely impressive atmospheres.

Rather than continually dismissing them, maybe we should take a moment to wonder why they do what we can’t. It’s the first desire of every Blue to see Everton back amongst the elite. But to do that we are going to have to start behaving like an elite club. Perhaps it’s time to look across the Park and see what the neighbours are up to?


Sorry, Jim.

Not one of your better efforts.

You fail to mention the way they have used the Hillsborough tragedy to project a holier than thou image to the world and the regular very public commemorations which they use as a platform to display their “specialness” as a club.

Remember how their manager was issuing statements about doing it for the “96 in the sky” when they were Easter champions four years ago?

Or the creepy wreath laying tour of disaster or terrorist sites on the eastern seaboard, claiming a unique empathy with the victims due to their own tragedy (not the other H word of course.....like all good revisionists that is airbrushed from the narrative)

As always, @davek put it best on the other thread earlier today.....LFC has “weaponised” Hillsborough both to broaden its appeal and to silence criticism in the press, the Daily Express being the latest target.

That club makes me sick.

The cringieness of everthing about it makes me thank my late, lamented and very dear arl dad every day for bringing me up he right way.

They may have won a lot more than us (though not in the last quarter century).....they may have one foot in the CL Final
(please God.....help Roma turn the buggers over in your own backyard)......we may be stuck with Big Sam :(

But I would never, ever want to change how I was brought up and been a Kopite instead.

Nor would I want Evertonians to perceived as Kopites are by the outside world.

:mad:

Rant over.

And I look forward to reading your next effort, Jim.

They are (almost) always a very good read ;)
 
As I have simplistically uttered in the past......They do what they do, we do what we do, so there is no need to fall out over matters.
That is until their fans/supporters/hangers on/media/celebs and so on begin to ratchet up all things red.
That is the sickening bit. Living on the other side of the country does two things. Firstly it spares me the worst of the taunting from RS, but secondly I am handily placed to witness the behaviour of their legions who have never been to Anfield in their lives and when I ask why not they say because they cant get a ticket. This we know is balls.
I grudgingly admired the Liverpool team of the sixties and seventies until their sneering began after their first European Cup.
As a reminder that they have not achieved world dominance, I will continue to wear my colours as appropriate, and with a sense of pride not entitlement.
 
Let's look at the current trophies, they've won :
1 champions league
0 Europa leagues
0 premier leagues
0 fa cup wins since it moved from Cardiff
1 league Cup on pens vs the mighty in Cardiff since the move back to Wembley.


Excuse myself whilst I [Poor language removed] myself with envy.

For us, every single one of those numbers is a 0. So yes, you probably should be envious of them winning the actual Champions League tbh.
 
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