We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 22 6.4%
  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 63 18.4%
  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 200 58.5%

  • Total voters
    342
He's easy on the eye and has a wand of a left foot, great passer of the ball but he doesnt score goals (0) or get enough assists (2). Jimmy G has 2goals 3 assists in a team that doesnt score a lot. And Wharton as a dm isnt a great tacker, not quick over the ground or very physical. If I'm playing against him I know I'll get time to play. Look at our Tim yesterday, he would be a nightmare to play against in midfield. Strong, quick, great tackler and leaves something on the opposition when he challenges. I'm not saying Tim is the better player but I know who Id rather play against.
I agree but ultimately you need both a great passer who will hardly put a foot wrong and an engine next to him. Goals and assists will come, that's down to setup as well - their midfielders don't really score goals.
 
Wharton is a regular and one of the most important players in a PL team at age 20-21 and when he doesn't play they look noticeably worse.

Anderson is an odd one for me because there's a gifted player there, but he's currently stuck for a while with Dyche - no midfielder will look great when he gets shouted at to hoof it long for 90 minutes a game. Garner and Onana both looked like barely footballers for us under Dyche, but it turns out they weren't a problem.
Will never forget some of the games were people laid into Onana for not having much impact, where I was genuinely confused how he was supposed to have impact when tactics involved other players repeatedly kicking it over his head to a player 25+ yards away from him who had no options other than to head it to nobody.
 
Will never forget some of the games were people laid into Onana for not having much impact, where I was genuinely confused how he was supposed to have impact when tactics involved other players repeatedly kicking it over his head to a player 25+ yards away from him who had no options other than to head it to nobody.
Agreed. Watching Onana for Villa now just makes me sad because we never saw that player, we just saw a solid basic midfielder.
 
It would've taken so little for the general feelings on Dyche to be very different. He basically produced a miracle in 22-23 keeping us up and then did an unbelievably good job in guiding us to safety in 23-24 handily despite the point deduction. I'll always be greatful for that week in April 2024. I know beating the RS between Forest and Brentford shouldn't be anything special but when you're starved of positivity for as long as we'd been you don't take things like that for granted and we simply don't win enough derby's for me to ever just dismiss one. I truly think that if he'd just been a little bit more positive in both his demeanour and general style last season and shown a tiny bit more flexibility then he'd have seen out his contract and would've left the club pretty well liked by 99% of the fanbase. Its a real shame that he had to spoil it all by being such a knobhead and downing tools like he did. Completely unnecessary but sadly shows the true character of the man. Not a very likeable or trustworthy individual when alls said and done.
 
Points deduction in a season where 27 points would have been enough to avoid relegation. Even that Mark Goldbridge gimp who supports Man Utd was saying that Everton should just accept the points deduction because the league was so poor that they wouldn’t get relegated with a points deduction that year

Saviour of Everton apparently for not getting relegated the season before that despite having players like Pickford, tarkowski, Coleman, Mina, Onana, Garner, Gueye, Doucoure, Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin and McNeil at his disposal and losing three of the last four home games that season putting us in a position where we had to win against Bournemouth or get relegated.

The real ones know that Pickford saved us from relegation that year not that baldy fraud and that the fans did everything that they could do to try and back the team to try and avoid relegation.

Keep living in delulu land if you think we should be grateful for what he did for us, because all he did was make evertonians miserable with constant turgid performances
 
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He's easy on the eye and has a wand of a left foot, great passer of the ball but he doesnt score goals (0) or get enough assists (2). Jimmy G has 2goals 3 assists in a team that doesnt score a lot. And Wharton as a dm isnt a great tacker, not quick over the ground or very physical. If I'm playing against him I know I'll get time to play. Look at our Tim yesterday, he would be a nightmare to play against in midfield. Strong, quick, great tackler and leaves something on the opposition when he challenges. I'm not saying Tim is the better player but I know who Id rather play against.

When we played Palace Grealish was motm.

As the award was presented to him he then stated it should have gone to Wharton.

Boy is top class. Could see it since a year prior to his Palace move.

Dibling is on the same trajectory.

Will never forget some of the games were people laid into Onana for not having much impact, where I was genuinely confused how he was supposed to have impact when tactics involved other players repeatedly kicking it over his head to a player 25+ yards away from him who had no options other than to head it to nobody.

Agreed. Watching Onana for Villa now just makes me sad because we never saw that player, we just saw a solid basic midfielder.

Onana should have been sat as the midfield anchor. His quality and potential were easy to see.

Cant remember the countless times i was told he was an awful player.
 
Points deduction in a season where 27 points would have been enough to avoid relegation. Even that Mark Goldbridge gimp who supports Man Utd was saying that Everton should just accept the points deduction because the league was so poor that they wouldn’t get relegated with a points deduction that year

Saviour of Everton apparently for not getting relegated the season before that despite having players like Pickford, tarkowski, Coleman, Mina, Onana, Garner, Gueye, Doucoure, Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin and McNeil at his disposal and losing three of the last four home games that season putting us in a position where we had to win against Bournemouth or get relegated.

The real ones know that Pickford saved us from relegation that year not that baldy fraud and that the fans did everything that they could do to try and back the team to try and avoid relegation.

Keep living in delulu land if you think we should be grateful for what he did for us, because all he did was make evertonians miserable with constant turgid performances
Lets not be disenguous. The club was on the bones of its arse before he arrived. If ever there was a season we where going to get relegated it was 22-23. If it was that easy to keep us up then how come we couldn't get anyone better? Nah. He was the best option at an awful time and I'm perfectly willing to give him the credit he deserves for it. The same is true in 23-24. If it was so easy to keep us up despite the points deduction then how come we couldn't get anyone else? Nobody wanted to join us because we where on the brink of collapse as a club. We'd have sank like a stone with that points deduction under Lampard or the pig. We'd have done well to get twenty-eight points never mind the fourty-eight we did.

If it was all down to Pickford then how come we where sinking like a stone under the previous managers? No. If we can call him the boring, inflexible and unlikeable dinosaur that he is then we should be willing to give credit where its due too.
 

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