Transfer Rumour Wayne Rooney

[Neiler]

Personally against him coming back and always have been, the dynamic of how he left was disgraceful and i will never forgive him, i dont consdier him a blue at all and never will.

That said the most fundamental thing at any football club is employing a manger, and supporting his philosophy and choices. If the manager wants him fine. There will be no joy on my behalf in bringing him back, no emotion, i look a it as a business decision. Will never warm to him, file under Pienaar mercenary.

 

[Zatara]

Personally against him coming back and always have been, the dynamic of how he left was disgraceful and i will never forgive him, i dont consdier him a blue at all and never will.

That said the most fundamental thing at any football club is employing a manger, and supporting his philosophy and choices. If the manager wants him fine. There will be no joy on my behalf in bringing him back, no emotion, i look a it as a business decision. Will never warm to him, file under Pienaar mercenary.

Likewise.....

I wonder...he cant press or play high tempo like koeman seems to want
Wont dislodge Lukaku so would be in the same position on the bench as at United
Could play alongside Barkley behind Lukaku but then again doesn't have the legs...

Not sure of any playing reason to have him

 

[moyes cardy]

For me he will shine in our team, even at Duncs testimonial you could see the quality that doesn't leave you - fitness I take the concerns but on a free is a gamble worth taking. In addition is the mentality, one of a winner you can never have too many of these in or around the team. In terms of how he left he was immature likewise we were to a point - but from a business perspective a must sale re the clubs finances and the banks wanting to call this in. Despite the natural disdain towards Rooney without that sale who knows what the banks would have done next.

 

[Neiler]

Likewise.....

I wonder...he cant press or play high tempo like koeman seems to want
Wont dislodge Lukaku so would be in the same position on the bench as at United
Could play alongside Barkley behind Lukaku but then again doesn't have the legs...

Not sure of any playing reason to have him

My stance is a moral and value based one mate. He did the dirt on Everton in a big way and left us to be relegated for all he cared. I will never forgive him or give him ounce of loyalty, appreciation or respect because of that.

From a purely pragmatic point of view i can understand the rationale, the next stage of our development will see teams sit back and hit on the counter, i believe what Koeman has done this season is lay a defensive foundation and system, the double pivot in midfiled was the first point of call and he has made the defense solid again - they were clear priorities given our powder puff approach to defending under Martinez. His philosphey in terms of pressing and tempo has also been laid. I think that was the first objective. I found it interesting his remarks on offensive players in terms of recruitment yesterday, which will be next phase in recruitment and development.

As with West Ham and other games recently, teams have begun to play against us with two deep banks of four, if you stop of dont give space to Rom and Barkley you stop Everton creatively. What we need is players or alternative players who can play and create in between the midfield and defensive line in tight space, to make the ball stick but also create. We sorely have missed that in many games in the second half of the season. So i can see the logic in Rooney to be honest for a few reasons: 1) The deal sounds good financially, 2) Will sit well with fans who dont have a long memories 3) He has a marketable profile in terms of sponsorship 4) Having him here will help with other recruitment. 5) I think it will do Barkley no harm in terms of sharing the burden or being hooked for him. There are many advantages.

The above is the pragmatic approach and i can understand that, but like i say from a moral and Everton value driven approach, he wont get one ounce of affinity, respect or appreciation from me. If it were up to me i wouldn't have him back even if he played like Ronaldo or Messi. Somethings go deeper then short term success and he badly did Everton over, to the extent that we could have tumbled down the leagues for all he cared.

 

[kenada_blue]

For me he will shine in our team, even at Duncs testimonial you could see the quality that doesn't leave you - fitness I take the concerns but on a free is a gamble worth taking. In addition is the mentality, one of a winner you can never have too many of these in or around the team. In terms of how he left he was immature likewise we were to a point - but from a business perspective a must sale re the clubs finances and the banks wanting to call this in. Despite the natural disdain towards Rooney without that sale who knows what the banks would have done next.

Still a cut above to what we have in the squad.

 

[Papa Shango]

For me he will shine in our team, even at Duncs testimonial you could see the quality that doesn't leave you - fitness I take the concerns but on a free is a gamble worth taking. In addition is the mentality, one of a winner you can never have too many of these in or around the team. In terms of how he left he was immature likewise we were to a point - but from a business perspective a must sale re the clubs finances and the banks wanting to call this in. Despite the natural disdain towards Rooney without that sale who knows what the banks would have done next.

Ferguson's testimonial was a testimonial (obviously..) and two years ago. A lot can change in that time.

 

[fandjango]

Personally against him coming back and always have been, the dynamic of how he left was disgraceful and i will never forgive him, i dont consdier him a blue at all and never will.

That said the most fundamental thing at any football club is employing a manger, and supporting his philosophy and choices. If the manager wants him fine. There will be no joy on my behalf in bringing him back, no emotion, i look a it as a business decision. Will never warm to him, file under Pienaar mercenary.

What exactly was disgraceful ?

 

[Deco]

If Rooney was the third attacker alongside Ross and Rom this season we would've finished top 4.

 

[Neiler]

What exactly was disgraceful ?

With respect mate I have no interest in getting into a debate about it, i have had it too many times on here and ive heard all the counter arguments and conspiracy theories.

My opinion on it hasn't and wont change from the minute he handed in a transfer request in the final stages of the window knowing that we had no time to recruit, after a season that we stayed up on the lowest points tally that at the time had ever stayed up.

 

[davek]

That would be an embarrassment bringing him back. I have a lot of time for Rooney, but this is way too late in the day.

It's got "Kenwright Productions" written all over it. Bring a blue home and distract the fans.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Personally against him coming back and always have been, the dynamic of how he left was disgraceful and i will never forgive him, i dont consdier him a blue at all and never will.

That said the most fundamental thing at any football club is employing a manger, and supporting his philosophy and choices. If the manager wants him fine. There will be no joy on my behalf in bringing him back, no emotion, i look a it as a business decision. Will never warm to him, file under Pienaar mercenary.

Take your point but he was young and pretty reckless in his actions and was offered fame, fortune and success on a plate with multiple people influencing him.

I genuinely think he's grown up a lot in recent years and I don't think he's forgotten his roots.

 

[MACCA75]

Looks finished this season tbh, anc I was happy to bring him back. Not keen on it now though - would almost certainly mean not signing Sigurdsson - and I'd much rather we went for him.

 

[Real_madras]

I'm coming round trip to this idea. Firstly unlike many aging players coming to the send of his career, he genuinely want to be here. We've seen players who were world class right after the end before like Eto. But Rooney isn't quite that stages and supports us.

Apart from Lukaku, Rooney is miles bettered than any of our other strikers. He can also put genuine competition for thee number 10 position. He'll bring experience off big games and winning trophies. I say we should sign him.

 

[fandjango]

With respect mate I have no interest in getting into a debate about it, i have had it too many times on here and ive heard all the counter arguments and conspiracy theories.

My opinion on it hasn't and wont change from the minute he handed in a transfer request in the final stages of the window knowing that we had no time to recruit, after a season that we stayed up on the lowest points tally that at the time had ever stayed up.

I wasn't asking to debate but if you make such a strong statement using emotive words like disgrace then be prepared to have somebody genuinely ask the question
Disgrace is strong word ... a campaign of betting on matches in which you are involved is disgraceful
Moving clubs is part of the business of football

 

[Neiler]

Take your point but he was young and pretty reckless in his actions and was offered fame, fortune and success on a plate with multiple people influencing him.

I genuinely think he's grown up a lot in recent years and I don't think he's forgotten his roots.

Nothing mitigates for me mate, its not even the fundamental fact that he left as it was inevitable, it was how he left and what it could have done to the club, its was inexcusable.

From a moral point of view, he went and lifted his skirt to another club, leaving us in a really dangerous position at the time that pragmatically could have seen us tumble down the leagues, I dont see why the club should open their arms to him now he has fallen on hard times.

Business will win in the end though.