Was it a Penalty?

[Alan Whittle]

...yes, the old system was flawed. Not sure why we need to replace it with another flawed one strewn with human error and potential bias though.

Especially as we already have one.

 

[roydo]

Burden of proof is with you and others arguing this new system to be a step forward, not with me arguing for the status quo.

I think its a step forward. Personally, I would be far happier with a linear system, over the line, offside. Indisputable.

Am ok with retrospective for serious foul play, as in Zindane for example. Today was subjective, and not sure about that, unless it is a clear and obvious error. That pen call today was neither.

 

[davek]

I'd agree with that, goal line tech is instantaneous and indisputable, we may possibly be able to do the same thing with offside one day. As for the rest, let the ref sort it and stop crying about decisions to cover up your own poor performances

Spot on mate.

Load of geeks in a box room looking at monitors with goodness knows what allegiances handed the task of policing this game fairly - and that's progress.

Utter nonsense.

 

[davek]

I think its a step forward. Personally, I would be far happier with a linear system, over the line, offside. Indisputable.

Am ok with retrospective for serious foul play, as in Zindane for example. Today was subjective, and not sure about that, unless it is a clear and obvious error. That pen call today was neither.

Exactly. That's all that's been advocated here by me.

 

[dholliday]

So VAR has reared it's ugly head on the world's biggest stage.

So, is it a penalty or not?

nope, and neither was it a free-kick. Griezmann was one of my favourite players until that moment he conned the ref and cheated the Croats to win the World Cup.

Not that most players aren't immune...Jürgen's OTT fall in 1990 for one...

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

That's what I'm saying. I dont see any panelist jumping in for us though and exercising that discretion if we're playing an "elite" team. Other way around? Defo.

It's all subjective...so may as well stick with the man in the middle and keep an eye on him.

You can't beat a session on the piss after a game debating a refs contentious decisions, that's what footy is all about.

 

[davek]

You can't beat a session on the piss after a game debating a refs contentious decisions, that's what footy is all about.

"That effin feller on the left hand monitor in the VAR suite, I hate him."

Doesn't have the same impact really does it?!

 

[PhilM]

Not a pen in a million years, anyone who has the played the game must realise that, his hand is coming down because he is jumping up, it takes a deflection from the french players head of which he is half a meter behind, its been given because it has been judged on slow motion, which isn't a fair representation. Even harsher as perisic was excellent

It's the same with punditry and how they micro-analyse incidents in ultra-slow motion and from numerous angles with the ability to zoom in. For me it's not a pen!

 

[gonetomorrow]

I'd never give a pen if I was a ref. They're all at it in the box.

You'd have to virtually decapitate the striker for me to give a pen against you.

 

[Khalekan]

This is the thing that bugs me with VAR, the decisions are still subjective. There’s no black and white answers when it comes to penalties etc.

In my view if the ref has to have more than two looks at the incident on screen then his original decision should stand.

One look to decide if he had been wrong in the first place and another just to make sure.

Once he starts looking at it half a dozen times from various angles then the whole point of the exercise is lost.

The darned thing is supposed to correct “obvious errors” and if that “obvious error” isn’t immediately obvious on replay then, as you say Dan, it is purely subjective and that is what it was to begin with and VAR only adds to the confusion

 

[arminisgod]

Thought it was a pen. i actually think he moved his hand to the ball. If the ref had given it live there wouldn't be half the [Poor language removed] afterwards.

His arm had no business being out there.

 

[Yank]

This is why the rule drives me nuts. I just wish it wasn't so subjective.

I remember getting killed on here for saying it was a handball in the Argentina v Nigeria game when the center back headed the ball into his own elevated arm. If that's not a handball them this shouldn't of been.

I think it's easier to just make the rule, if it hits your hand then it's a handball. This intent and natural position thing leaves to much interpretation and inconsistency.

 

[degsy]

Not at normal speed/first look
On the VAR...not that all the players appealing could see it, they were just playing the percentages - ball hits arm/hand = pen...you can see the hand flick.

VAR is not going to go away, but it needs refining and amending.

I know its not mentioned anywhere in the rules as such, but this whole 'ball to hand / hand ball' thing needs as much of the ambiguity and vagueness about 'Intent' taken out of it as can be done.

 

[degsy]

This is why the rule drives me nuts. I just wish it wasn't so subjective.

I remember getting killed on here for saying it was a handball in the Argentina v Nigeria game when the center back headed the ball into his own elevated arm. If that's not a handball them this shouldn't of been.

I think it's easier to just make the rule, if the ball hits your hand then its handball. This intent and natural position thing leaves to much interpretation and inconsistency.

No, no, a thousand times no, you're wrong on so many levels, that way lies chaos.

 

[Yank]

No, no, a thousand times no, you're wrong on so many levels, that way lies chaos.

As opposed to what happened yesterday? If you take the subjectivity out of it, as unfortunate it may be at times, you eliminate controversy.

Just my opinion.