VAR

[b-rad]

What's the conspiracy though? Like on Monday, specifically what was the desired outcome of this conspiracy against us? For us to draw? Why?

Not draw specifically, no. But it could be argued that the PL would much rather Man City win, so the title race goes to the last day.

 

[Lanolin]

Not draw specifically, no. But it could be argued that the PL would much rather Man City win, so the title race goes to the last day.

It could, but that's why I framed the question the way that I did. If it was an actual conspiracy why didn't they send Keane off when it would have been fairly easily justifiable (I'm not saying he should have been sent off, just that I don't think you're getting a massive kick off if he is) why didn't they disallow the Barry goal (same thing applies) etc? Why did the overlords decide that the one thing they would do was not give a penalty with a couple of minutes to go when we were already ahead? As always with these conspiracy things, literally spending 10 seconds thinking about it kind of kills it off.

 

[Jacko93]

Wasn’t that in a r/s game or is my dislike for them clouding my mind?

It was mate, aye. Clearly off in the images and the lines, but given onside due to a 50mm accuracy boundary that has never been used since.

 

[Swartzy]

When you are reading articles explaining how VAR faults have benefited you

A great way to justify a failed system.

 

[Tipp blue]

It could, but that's why I framed the question the way that I did. If it was an actual conspiracy why didn't they send Keane off when it would have been fairly easily justifiable (I'm not saying he should have been sent off, just that I don't think you're getting a massive kick off if he is) why didn't they disallow the Barry goal (same thing applies) etc? Why did the overlords decide that the one thing they would do was not give a penalty with a couple of minutes to go when we were already ahead? As always with these conspiracy things, literally spending 10 seconds thinking about it kind of kills it off.

There is no conspiricy to have city winning or any conspiricy for that matter, what is actually happening is that the PL have taken bribes from the Liverpool owners to make bad decisions against Everton so their fans can take the piss.

 

[NathDogg]

It could, but that's why I framed the question the way that I did. If it was an actual conspiracy why didn't they send Keane off when it would have been fairly easily justifiable (I'm not saying he should have been sent off, just that I don't think you're getting a massive kick off if he is) why didn't they disallow the Barry goal (same thing applies) etc? Why did the overlords decide that the one thing they would do was not give a penalty with a couple of minutes to go when we were already ahead? As always with these conspiracy things, literally spending 10 seconds thinking about it kind of kills it off.

Brilliant this, just brilliant.

 

[BullensBob]

The solution is very easy.
Tell all players that you can (and will) get penalised for any foul even before the ball is in play. That should stop all the childish nonsens, if applied consistently of course (which is perhaps the biggest issue).

I mean, you'll get send off when headbutting an opponent when the ball is out of play.

Well yes, you will but you won't give away a penalty or free kick for it

 

[Lanolin]

Brilliant this, just brilliant.

Do you have an answer for the original question though? Or these ones? If there's a conspiracy there has to be a goal doesn't there? So what is it? And how did the events of Monday contribute to that goal?

I think VAR is awful, I think the general standard of officiating is poor, I think there is sometimes a bias (likely unconscious) towards certain teams and I am not naive enough to believe that there is no possibility of betting scandals etc, but if you think there's an actual conspiracy I'd quite like to know what they're conspiring to do and why? Is there some reason why the PL were happy for us to get a point on Monday but no more that i'm missing?

 

[msb]

I cannot conclude there is a particular conspiracy against us, although at times it feels like it.

The scope for VAR was clear and obvious errors, nothing more. How can it take longer than 60 seconds for something that is meant to be clear and obvious? The line drawing for a toe offside is ludicrous and evidentially tweaked for certain clubs. I preferred the odd erroneous call for a marginal call, than waiting for a few minutes for an equally unconvincing outcome.

It was supposed to reduce errors on pitch, there is little evidence it does that, because it often supports a poor refereeing decision.

The worst aspect is that it kills atmosphere and joy. It ruins the fan experience. As an old and seasoned supporter, I would rather take a few bad decisions than keep VAR and its errors or bad decisions. It has not taken the doubt out of football, it has created a further distrust in the fairness of the game.

If there is a conspiracy it is to ensure the top teams get the benefit of the doubt in iffy decisions, not clear enough to demonstrate bias.

 

[NathDogg]

People can forget conspiracy, maybe a bad choice of words.

Simple question - do you think the current Pigmol/referee and var set up is not bent/corrupt?

 

[RobYoung]

Well yes, you will but you won't give away a penalty or free kick for it

Mmm, you got me there!

 

[Lanolin]

People can forget conspiracy, maybe a bad choice of words.

Simple question - do you think the current Pigmol/referee and var set up is not bent/corrupt?

Apology accepted.

I'm not sure i'd say I have evidence to suggest it's corrupt (which is a word that has a specific meaning in this context, and would effectively be the same as it being a conspiracy) but like I said before when you laughed for some reason, that doesn't mean I think it's either a good thing or well used.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

Do you have an answer for the original question though? Or these ones? If there's a conspiracy there has to be a goal doesn't there? So what is it? And how did the events of Monday contribute to that goal?

I think VAR is awful, I think the general standard of officiating is poor, I think there is sometimes a bias (likely unconscious) towards certain teams and I am not naive enough to believe that there is no possibility of betting scandals etc, but if you think there's an actual conspiracy I'd quite like to know what they're conspiring to do and why? Is there some reason why the PL were happy for us to get a point on Monday but no more that i'm missing?

I don't believe there's a conspiracy against Everton, nor do I think certain clubs are immune to getting decisions given against them. I think there's a general conspiracy to ensure if they can certain clubs, RS, United, Arsenal too a much lesser extent City do well in league. Why because match attending fans don't actually contribute that much financially in overall scheme of things. TV audiences matter more, who has biggest number of armchair fans ? RS, United and Arsenal. Ignoring a blatant handball by Gabriel Jesus in 2024 was blatant corruption, same with Rodri in 2022. South Korea didn't win world Cup in 2002, despite the fact a referee was found guilty of corruption.

 

[Lanolin]

I don't believe there's a conspiracy against Everton, nor do I think certain clubs are immune to getting decisions given against them. I think there's a general conspiracy to ensure if they can certain clubs, RS, United, Arsenal too a much lesser extent City do well in league. Why because match attending fans don't actually contribute that much financially in overall scheme of things. TV audiences matter more, who has biggest number of armchair fans ? RS, United and Arsenal. Ignoring a blatant handball by Gabriel Jesus in 2024 was blatant corruption, same with Rodri in 2022. South Korea didn't win world Cup in 2002, despite the fact a referee was found guilty of corruption.

I get that, and to a certain extent I buy that it can happen but I think it gets massively overplayed. Like I said, as with all conspiracy theories it starts to fall down as soon as you do anything more than give it a cursory glance. If the only explanation for poor decisions is 'corruption' or 'conspiracy' then how do we explain decisions like Bournemouth getting a ridiculously soft penalty the other day against Palace when if anything the PL would surely have wanted them to lose so that they couldn't catch Liverpool? Why would the Jesus handball (I assume you mean the one against us?) be blatant corruption when it happened in literally the last minute of the season and didn't affect anybody's league placing? If you have to do all sorts of mad mental gymnastics to justify how and why these things could happen it just makes it quite difficult to believe, when the other option is just as simple as 'some people aren't very good at their jobs'.

 

[arch stanton]

I get that, and to a certain extent I buy that it can happen but I think it gets massively overplayed. Like I said, as with all conspiracy theories it starts to fall down as soon as you do anything more than give it a cursory glance. If the only explanation for poor decisions is 'corruption' or 'conspiracy' then how do we explain decisions like Bournemouth getting a ridiculously soft penalty the other day against Palace when if anything the PL would surely have wanted them to lose so that they couldn't catch Liverpool? Why would the Jesus handball (I assume you mean the one against us?) be blatant corruption when it happened in literally the last minute of the season and didn't affect anybody's league placing? If you have to do all sorts of mad mental gymnastics to justify how and why these things could happen it just makes it quite difficult to believe, when the other option is just as simple as 'some people aren't very good at their jobs'.

I agree, I think.

I wouldnt be surprised if there is some corruption in football, there is too much money involved for there not to be but I think Hanlon's razor is at play here