VAR

[Tipp blue]

The Panel, and the Premier League appear to be hiding behind the explanation that the ref said it was a foul by Maguire, and therefore that was the wrong decision so it was rightly overturned.

I am almost certain that on various goals that have been checked for offside, they first check the offside, and then you hear the commentators say something along the lines of "they are now checking to see if there was an earlier handball/separate offence". That is 2 separate things they are looking at. Does anyone else remember something similar to this?

So how can they come out with these blatant lies?

Where is Everton on this, there has been loads of times where VAR checks multiple incidents, This is from the PL website.

From what point does the VAR check incidents leading to a penalty or goal?​

The VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the penalty or goal.
The starting point will be limited to the immediate phase. The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession.
The VAR will consider the ability of the opposing defence to reset, and the momentum of the attack.
It is supposed to check the attacking phase that led to the penalty that in our case would have been the 2 pulls on the Jersey and not just a trip by Slab head.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1293321

 

[Vintage]

Just seen that. VAR was right after all

Prem panel: VAR right to scrap Everton pen vs Utd

The Premier League's Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled that the VAR intervention to cancel Everton's stoppage-time penalty against Manchester United last month was correct.

www.espn.co.uk

The comments of the KMI Panel, seen by ESPN, noted that "the contact from the defenders doesn't match the exaggerated fall from the attacker."

If that's the case most penalties these days shouldn't be given

 

[Timbucktoo]

The comments of the KMI Panel, seen by ESPN, noted that "the contact from the defenders doesn't match the exaggerated fall from the attacker."

If that's the case most penalties these days shouldn't be given

How do they measure the strength of the contact by the defender and how do they distinguish between a fall and an exaggerated fall?
Don`t know which is worse, the vagueness of the rules or the clowns enforcing the rules.

 

[SLAVEN BILIC]

The comments of the KMI Panel, seen by ESPN, noted that "the contact from the defenders doesn't match the exaggerated fall from the attacker."

If that's the case most penalties these days shouldn't be given

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s against the rules of the game to pull a player’s shirt. Even if he doesn’t go down, he’s been impeded from reaching the ball.

Absolute nonsense statement to save their own blushes.

 

[arch stanton]

How do they measure the strength of the contact by the defender and how do they distinguish between a fall and an exaggerated fall?
Don`t know which is worse, the vagueness of the rules or the clowns enforcing the rules.

there was contact = he was 'entitled to go down, versus 'there was contact but not enough for a pen'

Sky 6 versus the 14 making up the numbers

 

[Dharma]

Like complete mugs, we all thought VAR was to be about accuracy and fairness.
When infact, it's about the complete opposite.

 

[Lob]

The corrupt protecting the corrupt. All it does is divert away from the fact that Var should not have intervened in the first place as there was no clear and obvious error made by the referee who was just a few feet away from it. Maybe they should introduce a second Var team to check the main Var team. Football is being destroyed by sub standard and in some cases corrupt officiating.

Cannot even celebrate a goal until 5 minutes after it is scored now while they inspect every single blade of grass on 30 different cameras trying to find a reason to disallow it. The problem is the incompetency of officiating, not the system itself. A good system being misused by absolute ass wipes.

 

[Lineker]

It can't be stated enough...VAR is corrupt. However, it is openly corrupt as opposed to the hidden corrupt we would get instead. At least now it is clear what is going on. It doesn't help us today, but we can hope that some day they will all be turned out.

 

[West Side Charlie]

They tried their best to find something to disallow the Beto goal, then disallowed the penalty claim. Weird how after the match most pundits, for what they are worth thought it was a penalty, but this panel didn't.
The game is bent and the cream of the crop have everything in their favour.
It's not just the PL though, it's UEFA as well.
The worst one I have seen is Man City at Goodison and I think it was Rodri with the handball. No one will ever convince me it a fair playing field.

 

[Bebeto]

Not a single follow up question from the journos during the press conference on the var decision, the discussion between the club and pgmol or the premier league panel. Stealing a living some of them...

 

[wandyr79]

VAR vs TMO (Rugby Union)

Although the TMO system is not perfect I feel that the majority of people in the game are happy with it, or at least no major gripes because at the end of the day we all want the right decision to be made and it is a very hard job for an on field officiating team to see everything.

TMO - On field decision rules but if something is obvious that the ref may have missed then it is looked at, i.e. the ref sees the ball grounded but 2 phases before that somebody tackled off the ball or an very obvious forward pass. These cases are looked at as quickly as possible, the best angle of each incident is attempted to be found as soon as possible.

VAR - On field decision means nothing. Everything is looked at, regardless of how obvious it looks. Even when it is obvious it is looked at from every angle, sometimes an angle that tells nobody anything and then you get somebody who has never operated any video technology as there is a random zooming in and out of those angles that tell us nothing. i.e. Beto offside check against Man Utd, pretty obvious that he was onside when the original ball was played, it was nowhere near close to an obvious mistake if the secondary player even touched it, if he did it was so minimal no camera could pick it up, then the offside in the first phase of play. Obviously nowhere near the ball when played through, so by the letter of the ball not even close to an error by the on field officials.

All in all, 3 checks there, which is, in some cases you have to say it is needed to get the right decision, but each check should have been 10-20 seconds at the absolute max, instead of the 5 minutes it took for all of them. All because there was no clear error from the on field officials and it was obvious to see this from the first angles shown.

I suppose the main difference in Rugby to football would be that the conversion needs to be taken, so there is a natural (up to) 60 seconds stoppage in play. This is the only difference, but these checks are still so much better when the play is still ongoing.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Not a single follow up question from the journos during the press conference on the var decision, the discussion between the club and pgmol or the premier league panel. Stealing a living some of them...

It doesn't help when Moyes brushed it off so quickly.

Ive been delighted with his performance as manager so far and maybe he's been away too long to be bothered about wrongdoings over the years, but as a fan I would have liked him to have made more of a fuss about it.

That decision was an utter disgrace and a blatant example of an official influencing the match outcome.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

Right, that again just goes to show the issue isnt with VAR, its with the corruption at the top. Those in charge are the issue, and it just trickles down. The plus side is VAR shines a light on what would otherwise hide in the dark.

It is with VAR, there is no need to have VAR. When City scored when ball was out of play in league cup, was I enraged? No. Because City had been denied 2 penalties in games against us that same month. Sometimes refs make mistakes, they mostly even themselves out, unless it's RS and United we are talking about. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right mind can support VAR. Take a look at Tarkowskis goal, was there any reason to look at it? No. It's ruined my enjoyment of celebrating goals, was there any need to look at Betos goal? No. Our penalty at Brighton was identical to Konates handball in derby, unsurprisingly we didn't get it.

 

[EDINHO1]

I still think Maguire fouled Young. Never mind the other fouls. He was held from both sides. Of course it was a penalty.

They are not even hiding their corruption. They have so many interpretations / VAR rules to cover up scandalous decisions.

If Tarkowski and Branthwaite grab and trip an United player going for a tap in. Penalty given after 15 seconds.

 

[DoctorVictim]

So the Mic'd up bollocks with Webb and Owen is out now. I can't really believe the [Poor language removed] they let him get away with, at least interview him with someone who will challenge him.

He casually starts to shift the goalposts of saying 'We must remember the referee on field gave it for a pull from maguire and thats factually incorrect". For a start he did pull him, and apparently now we are okay with the VAR/AVAR are fine to start debating if the contact is enough. This is despite the fact almost every single one of these Mic'd up episodes he has said, we do NOT want VAR re-refereeing the game. Apparently now it is fine to discuss if the pull is 'Enough' contact.

Secondly, The ref gave a foul for a pull. Whether he confused De Ligt's hands for Maguire's is irrelevant, he gave a foul for a pull...refer back to re-refereeing the game point above.

Genuinely astounding watching that footage that he just backtracked everything they have said all season, just to cover their asses. If it was never given on field I wouldn't even be challenging this, i'm not some biased lunatic. I'd have still thought it was a foul on balance cause he was pulled 2 or 3 times, but if on-field they thought it's not enough I'd at least say I can see why they have thought it. But to give a pull foul, see 2 or 3 different pulls and then debate at length why it's not quite enough contact is unforgivable with how other games have went (and other decisions for us, Beto non-pen for example x2)