VAR

[pfim]

do you think at any if the top 4 clubs

IE the big 4

it’s given?

I don't know, I really don't think there's a grand conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who lack consistency in applying the law, both fouls and the use of VAR.

The audacity of the dive, to me, has a lot to do with it. The man's 39 years old, if he doesn't know how to fall down by this point he'll learn soon enough.

 

[bcblue1878]

Things to improve VAR:

1. Each team has 1 challenge each half, otherwise on field decisions stands.
2. Them challenges you can have has a time limit of 1 minute (if they still cant decide the on field decision stands)
3. No ex or present referees as VAR officials, independent team of trained personnel.
4. VAR only to look at one incident, not offside then when they see its on side they look for a foul somewhere else in the same passage of play.

That’s the one for me! One minute maximum for VAR to consider a decision, if they can’t make their minds up in that minute it obviously can’t be classed as a “clear and obvious” error, and they then go with the original decision made by the match referee!
The nonsense of waiting three or four minutes for VAR to make a decision needs stopping, it’s not good for the crowd and it’s not good for the players, and I suspect standing round for those three or four minutes is leading to injuries!

 

[pfim]

That’s the one for me! One minute maximum for VAR to consider a decision, if they can’t make their minds up in that minute it obviously can’t be classed as a “clear and obvious” error, and they then go with the original decision made by the match referee!
The nonsense of waiting three or four minutes for VAR to make a decision needs stopping, it’s not good for the crowd and it’s not good for the players, and I suspect standing round for those three or four minutes is leading to injuries!

They took 5 minutes to review a possible handball this weekend when it clearly went off the sliding player's thigh. These guys do need parameters, if you can't find the issue within a minute, it's not clear and obvious.

The offsides may be a different issue with the current technology, I can see why those may take some time.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I don't know, I really don't think there's a grand conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who lack consistency in applying the law, both fouls and the use of VAR.

The audacity of the dive, to me, has a lot to do with it. The man's 39 years old, if he doesn't know how to fall down by this point he'll learn soon enough.

I think it's a subconscious thing, get the wrong decision against us and the media will barely mention, get it wrong against the media darlings and its headline news being debated to death by the like of Talkshite and Dumb and Dumber (Savage and Sutton)

 

[Lanolin]

I don't know, I really don't think there's a grand conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who lack consistency in applying the law, both fouls and the use of VAR.

The audacity of the dive, to me, has a lot to do with it. The man's 39 years old, if he doesn't know how to fall down by this point he'll learn soon enough.

Very much this. In the rush to put it all down to corruption and favouritism, people seem to conveniently ignore that there are just as many controversial decisions in games like Fulham v Ipswich or whatever which have no bearing at all on the things people say are being manipulated.

 

[Yarrgh]

VAR is bent. And it takes too long.

This is all.

 

[Bernard]

I think the real problem with VAR is that it is meant to be for clear and obvious errors. Tugging at shirts goes on constantly so in this case clearly the referee thought it was serious enough to give a penalty. There was no reason for VAR to be involved as it was not a clear and obvious error. The referee should have stuck with his decision and I am sure had other angles been shown he would have. The other frustration is the time taken for VAR ofiicials to make up their mind. It seems crazy that it can take minutes , frustrating for fans and players. Mind you it was great to see Onana place the ball for a free kick assuming they were to be given an offside decision and then the goal was confirmed.

 

[TN Toffee]

The bolded is the problem with football overall. As long as guys get rewarded, it'll continue into perpetuity

But really the opposite can be said too. At least a few times a year you'll see a player's instincts kick in and they attempt to carry on after what was probably a foul in the box. It's NEVER given as a penalty, ever. The only thing that staying on your feet does is guarantee you aren't getting a PK. Unless you're clean through on goal and can literally walk the ball into the net, going down is the only sensible course of action. Until refs award at least one penalty after a player attempts to play through the contact, guys are going to (smartly, IMO) keep going to ground.

 

[RomanReigns]

Howard Webb we’re still all waiting

 

[Tipp blue]

Dermot Gallagher said it should have been a pen

That's enough.. He always backs the ref if he's not then it must have been a colossal error from the ref.

 

[sbbefc]

That’s the one for me! One minute maximum for VAR to consider a decision, if they can’t make their minds up in that minute it obviously can’t be classed as a “clear and obvious” error, and they then go with the original decision made by the match referee!
The nonsense of waiting three or four minutes for VAR to make a decision needs stopping, it’s not good for the crowd and it’s not good for the players, and I suspect standing round for those three or four minutes is leading to injuries!

Exactly this. I also think there needs to be a margin of error with offsides. You're never going to get the timing of when the ball is played through exactly bang on. They could be a frame or two out and that makes a huge difference if we have ridiculous toe nail decisions. It should go with the on field decision if it's in the margin of error. Either it's a 1 minute timer or within a line on the screen. Cricket have managed this no problem and it didn't take them years to get it right.

But we know why they won't implement common sense decisions. They want that power to influence games.

 

[Zezti]

So all the fans (except united fans) know it was a penalty.
Pundits and ex-pros know it was a pentalty.
Ex-refs know it was a penalty.



The PGMOL needs launching into the ocean.

 

[Socistep2]

It was 50/50. Live I thought it very well could have been.

On replay, it's clear Young made a meal of it, and fell over once he knew he couldn't get to the ball (giving him benefit of the doubt - this is the equivalent of a grown man with momentum not running through an arm tackle, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt).

And the way he fell wasn't commensurate with the fouls

Like I said if that was given against us, it would be harsh. But yeah I think it's 50/50

It's not a popular view but unfortunately I agree, the ref gave it for the foul by Maguire, VAR looked at it and thought the pull from Maguire didn't legislate the dive from Young and they passed that seed of doubt onto the ref

It would be interesting from.the AV whether they ignored the De Ligt pull, I suspect they focused purely on the foul the ref gave it for

 

[arch stanton]

Peter reid would have blown his....hat, back in his day he'd not allow that without making his thoughts known.

blow your hat and take the fine, wear it like a badge

 

[SLAVEN BILIC]

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Been down this road before haven’t we…….

Didn’t the ball go down the other end right after this and Branthwaite got sent off?