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I'll be amazed if he buys a club in this league.
West ham would probably be the next lucrative club if he did stay here, given they have the stadium already in place at a cost of 2.5m a year and the fan base to get 57,000 in.
 

If he is already funding us indirectly over and above the USM sponsorship, as I and some others suspect, then I'd imagine it will become clear soon enough over the course of the next two windows, even in the absence of anything more specific.

As it is I thought the club were a little bit more generous with spending this summer than I anticipated. Considering some recently poor seasons, poor and no progress in Europe, managerial pay-offs, and what would be further expected austerity to prepare for a stadium build, the spending surprised me a little.

We'd still need quite significant spending in each of the next two windows to give us even a sniff of competing, and could do with a striker in January.
If we spent north of another £40m net, you would certainly have to question where the money is coming from, and how it implicates FFP regulations.

I take Esks view from a position of neutrality, but on more than one occasion in the summer he seemed to suggest a period of spending and wage restraint was in order, and that we had to start living within our means. I thought this was a reasonable analysis at the time. We've made savings, but as I see it, not to the degree that a club that needs to rein things in, would have to.

There is also a very strong likelihood that the 'private' portion of funding for BMD will supposedly be from Moshiri's own funds - upwards of £200-£250m. Either this is an extraordinary act of personal generosity from Moshiri given that it would represent a hugely significant percentage of his personal wealth - hardly -, or, that funding is going to come from a much bigger pot and that, in the absence of any commercially sourced funding, could only mean Usmanov.

To me, even the hardball we are seeing regarding Lookman suggests a club not in need of an injection of cash quite as much as we thought.
 
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havrey0123 said:
I'll be amazed if he buys a club in this league.
West ham would probably be the next lucrative club if he did stay here, given they have the stadium already in place at a cost of 2.5m a year and the fan base to get 57,000 in.
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The quick big money is in the stadium build possibly coupled with the share price rise/profit after the sell on mate.
West Ham already have the stadium. If he were to buy in, in part or in whole, he would be the one suppling the profit not reaping it.
 
catcherintherye said:
Nothing he has done has been widely reported so far, other than him having no interest in Everton, him never sponsoring Everton and how he will never sell Arsenal. Thats what main stream media sources have said. They have been wrong at every turn. I would not use the mainstream media as a barometer for what he is going to do.

There is a chance he will be involved at Everton but few would know. There's a chance thats already happening.
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Yes its fair to say his spokesman did provide adequate ammunition for the 'no interest in Everton' line to be fairly widespread following the sale of his share holding in Arsenal, and previously to that there was the long held view, with good reason, to think that he wouldn't sell his holding at all. He had after all been on record as saying that the Arsenal holding is a long term commitment which he would keep within the family, or words to that effect. Undoubtedly his long running frustration with the situation of a large minority shareholding and no power whatsoever and his continuing and now lost battle with the major, shortly to be majority, shareholder Kroenke, changed his mind.

The now widely publicised interview he gave with Bloomberg earlier this month seemed to contradict 'the no interest in Everton line', this time the man himself too, not his spokesman's interpretation of his intentions.

Usmanov “doesn’t exclude” a more significant investment, he said.
“We are friends with Farhad Moshiri,” he said. “If he needs the support, I am happy to help.”

“Should there be a proposal or a possibility to invest in them with good potential returns, I would consider the deal,”

"Any deal would have to allow the 64-year old an element of personal influence over operations and management"

Is also a very telling quote, meaning any deal to get such influence is likely to involve the purchase of a significant block of shares.

It would need a majority holding in combination with Moshiris and a large enough block to effectively rule out anyone else acting contrary to his wishes, to my mind it would have to involve a purchase of a proportion of Moshiri's holding too.
 

degsy said:
The quick big money is in the stadium build possibly coupled with the share price rise/profit after the sell on mate.
West Ham already have the stadium. If he were to buy in, in part or in whole, he would be the one suppling the profit not reaping it.
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Your right, but the foundations are there in the stadium and fanbase. If he could bring in a world class manager and a large transfer budget and get them challenging for trophies or top 4, the value of the club would sky rocket.
There the highest valued club outside the top 6.
 
havrey0123 said:
Your right, but the foundations are there in the stadium and fanbase. If he could bring in a world class manager and a large transfer budget and get them challenging for trophies or top 4, the value of the club would sky rocket.


They're the highest valued club outside the top 6.
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That plus the stadium is already in situ...Not so much value to be added
So for that reason - He's out
 

brieverton said:
If he is already funding us indirectly over and above the USM sponsorship, as I and some others suspect, then I'd imagine it will become clear soon enough over the course of the next two windows, even in the absence of anything more specific.

As it is I thought the club were a little bit more generous with spending this summer than I anticipated. Considering some recently poor seasons, poor and no progress in Europe, managerial pay-offs, and what would be further expected austerity to prepare for a stadium build, the spending surprised me a little.

We'd still need quite significant spending in each of the next two windows to give us even a sniff of competing, and could do with a striker in January.
If we spent north of another £40m net, you would certainly have to question where the money is coming from, and how it implicates FFP regulations.

I take Esks view from a position of neutrality, but on more than one occasion in the summer he seemed to suggest a period of spending and wage restraint was in order, and that we had to start living within our means. I thought this was a reasonable analysis at the time. We've made savings, but as I see it, not to the degree that a club that needs to rein things in, would have to.

There is also a very strong likelihood that the 'private' portion of funding for BMD will supposedly be from Moshiri's own funds - upwards of £200-£250m. Either this is an extraordinary act of personal generosity from Moshiri given that it would represent a hugely significant percentage of his personal wealth - hardly -, or, that funding is going to come from a much bigger pot and that, in the absence of any commercially sourced funding, could only mean Usmanov.

To me, even the hardball we are seeing regarding Lookman suggests a club not in need of an injection of cash quite as much as we thought.
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Yes this does have more than a hint of the truth about it, or at least what could possibly be true, we just don't know atm, even if it could very well be the case.

It is all speculative and we can only go on what very little is out there in the public domain atm, most notably his recent Bloomberg interview where he touched on us amongst several other possible investments at other clubs, plus what we can glean from recent financial expenditure or even cutbacks at various clubs including our own. The very real and still possibly most probable situation is that Usmanov has had nothing at all to do with any of them atm other than perhaps on the periphery.

There are no definites atm just speculation, and we're far from the only fans thinking it could be us. Newcastle to my mind, for very different reasons, could represent a very good opportunity although perhaps a more difficult one. He has specifically mentioned abroad, most notably Italy and Germany, specifically AS Roma, AC Milan and Bayern, although new ambitious owners will not be as easy to displace and the Italian league especially has revenue problems. For me the premier league is possibly easier and more likely.

I certainly don't think its anything like certain he'll invest in us, and if he currently is or does in the future, it could well be in the BM project alone, although I wouldn't at all rule out a far greater investment involving a shareholding. It can't just be totally ruled put because it isn't publicly known about right now, why would it be?

It is a possible and to exclude it completely as being so, is wrong imo too.
 
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Eggs said:
..I posted the link in the New Stadium thread, but basically the Council funding offer remains on the table but Everton are looking at other finance options.
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It was slightly more telling than that imo, as his actual words were, “Everton are not yet ready to have a deal with the city as they are still looking at other options and arrangements with other companies and PEOPLE.”
 

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