Rudolf Hucker
Player Valuation: £30m
It exists in lower league football & at rugby & probably every other sport.
Football fans just have to keep fighting for it.
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It exists in lower league football & at rugby & probably every other sport.
Football fans just have to keep fighting for it.
Mate currently we cant even get safe standing. Theres sadly 96 reasons why it wont ever be allowed as it was.
We all know why it happened, it had nothing to do with fans standing and no doubt it would be unlikely to be allowed to happen again.
I mean 2 incidents in 130 years of footy kinda doesnt point to an unsafe thing.
I just think theres far to many obstacles in the way of it going back to the old way.
Rudolf Hucker
Player Valuation: £30m
I agree it won’t happen overnight.
Maybe when the bubble burst & football sees a slump. Maybe they will start to wonder where the atmosphere went.
Big Neville Southall
Player Valuation: £8m
Last week rail seats were approved and so Everton can now install them. There's an article on it somewhere, I won't have a chance to look for it just yet
Big Neville Southall
Player Valuation: £8m
Mr. White
Player Valuation: £8m
A while ago, I read the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds (Green Guide). In unreserved seating areas, you have to reduce the capacity of the area, to allow for the difficulties that people have already mentioned. The guide is no longer free to download, so I can't post a link. But if I recall correctly, I think it was around a 10% reduction in the stands capacity.
Interestingly, Spurs have installed a 'safe seating' area. It's not the typical rail seating that proponents have argued for. It's traditional seating with a barrier in front, something that you might normally see in an upper tier with a steep rake. Its accepted because it stops people from tripping forwards. However, at Spurs, it's been installed pitch side with a shallow-ish rake. To me, it looks like they have created an unofficial, safe standing area. It will be interesting to see if standing in this area will be tolerated, and how the authorities view this.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549397&page=4053
Interestingly, Spurs have installed a 'safe seating' area. It's not the typical rail seating that proponents have argued for. It's traditional seating with a barrier in front, something that you might normally see in an upper tier with a steep rake. Its accepted because it stops people from tripping forwards. However, at Spurs, it's been installed pitch side with a shallow-ish rake. To me, it looks like they have created an unofficial, safe standing area. It will be interesting to see if standing in this area will be tolerated, and how the authorities view this.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549397&page=4053
Big Neville Southall
Player Valuation: £8m
Rail seats allowed
New Green Guide sets out the rules
Seats with barriers compliant with all-seater policy
The Sports Ground Safety Authority has now published the long-awaited new edition of the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds, also known as the Green Guide.
Within the 'Spectator Accommodation - Seating' section of the Guide there is, for the first time, a sub-section on what the SGSA call 'seats incorporating barriers' and 'seats with independent barriers'.
Following publication of the Guide, the SGSA has also confirmed that it is possible, subject to certain provisos, e.g. Safety Advisory Group approval and an agreed management plan for the area concerned, for grounds that include seats incorporating barriers within their provision of exclusively seated accommodation to be licensed as compliant with the all-seater policy.
This gives all clubs with all-seater stadia the opportunity to enhance spectator safety in this way in areas of their ground where more active supporters are inclined to stay on their feet throughout extended moments of excitement, rather than sit passively in their seat for the full 90 minutes. It also enables clubs to get such areas of their grounds ready to be operated formally as standing areas as and when government policy allows and ready to take advantage of any future potential for increasing capacity in such areas.
In addition to these opportunities, there are, however, also risks. In some scenarios it is possible that capacity will be reduced.
The document linked to below sets out to explain and illustrate these opportunities and risks:
Seating incorporating barriers - Implications of new safety guidelines
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:34e2b8cb-42de-48cd-ac66-33c2dcb69a98
New Green Guide sets out the rules
Seats with barriers compliant with all-seater policy
The Sports Ground Safety Authority has now published the long-awaited new edition of the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds, also known as the Green Guide.
Within the 'Spectator Accommodation - Seating' section of the Guide there is, for the first time, a sub-section on what the SGSA call 'seats incorporating barriers' and 'seats with independent barriers'.
Following publication of the Guide, the SGSA has also confirmed that it is possible, subject to certain provisos, e.g. Safety Advisory Group approval and an agreed management plan for the area concerned, for grounds that include seats incorporating barriers within their provision of exclusively seated accommodation to be licensed as compliant with the all-seater policy.
This gives all clubs with all-seater stadia the opportunity to enhance spectator safety in this way in areas of their ground where more active supporters are inclined to stay on their feet throughout extended moments of excitement, rather than sit passively in their seat for the full 90 minutes. It also enables clubs to get such areas of their grounds ready to be operated formally as standing areas as and when government policy allows and ready to take advantage of any future potential for increasing capacity in such areas.
In addition to these opportunities, there are, however, also risks. In some scenarios it is possible that capacity will be reduced.
The document linked to below sets out to explain and illustrate these opportunities and risks:
Seating incorporating barriers - Implications of new safety guidelines
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:34e2b8cb-42de-48cd-ac66-33c2dcb69a98
The lower st end and paddock were both unreserved seating for a good couple of years when they were made all seater, i remember going to the first game in the st end when it was seated for a 3-1 win against Arsenal in 91, it was still unreserved for the wimbledon game in 94 aswell, in those days the crowds were only 20,000 odd thousand for many games so there was no problem picking a seat.
Big Neville Southall
Player Valuation: £8m
Applying that to Goodison we would have to take a slight reduction in capacity as our tread depths aren't large enough and the seats probably aren't wide enough. However if it is a 10% hit over a few hundred it's no big deal.
From a purely selfish point of view, I've had my seat in the central block of the lower Gwladys since the 95/96 season have no intention of giving it up for anyone so would be hugely against the area becoming unreserved seating.
Can see why some would think it's a good idea though.
Can see why some would think it's a good idea though.
Yeah syncronised booing, thats what we need...and cushions, we really need to get the cushions back
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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aren't they 'supposed' to know the name of every person that is in a seat nowadays ?
Lawrence
Player Valuation: £6m
If we had cushions these days it would be like pennies from heaven cascading down after every game. I do believe Blue Bill has kept his cushion.
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