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You just got to wonder just how much utter rubbish is being spouted regarding this war. I'd say the overwhelming vast majority of information should be treated with skepticism.

We'll only know when the dust settles what really occurred...until then i'd treat all information with a dose of skepticsm

I'd say the vast majority of what is in the papers about this conflict at the moment is absolute crap, which is incredibly dangerous for us given that much of our response appears to be based on how it sounds in those same papers.
 
Such as.........?

Well that MIG-29 deal for a start.

Look at how that took over the news for a couple of days and saw loads of politicians act up about it as if that would help Ukraine out massively (indeed several still are). This was despite anyone being able to read Wikipedia being able to find out that the planes are 30-35 years old, have an increasingly bad condition and would have been up against opponents that have more and better aircraft and a SAM net that is probably one of the best in the world. How the planes would actually get there was also never actually explained.
 


Ghost of KIev, 40 mile long convoy of Russian military outside of Kiev, snake island sailors, gunfights in Kiev after Zelensky had given guns to civilians with gangs settlng scores or whatever when there were no Russian troops in Kiev along with lots of outlandish rubbish getting folks more emotional and jingoistic.

So much utter bollocks being spouted
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Well that MIG-29 deal for a start.

Look at how that took over the news for a couple of days and saw loads of politicians act up about it as if that would help Ukraine out massively (indeed several still are). This was despite anyone being able to read Wikipedia being able to find out that the planes are 30-35 years old, have an increasingly bad condition and would have been up against opponents that have more and better aircraft and a SAM net that is probably one of the best in the world. How the planes would actually get there was also never actually explained.
I'll take your word for it about the age of the Polish migs, although I do know it's an old design. In the media it said that:

Poland had them.
They were preferred by Ukraine because their pilots were familiar with them.
There were plans under consideration to get them to Ukraine.

All of that was true, as far as I'm aware.

Although some politicians, esp USA did get excited about it, and are still so, that was also accurately reported. I haven't heard any, eg BBC, reports specifically say that these aircraft were a game changer, so if people inferred that from the excitement of politicians, then that's not suspect reporting, but erroneous conclusions on the part of those individuals from the facts they were presented with. I'm happy to caution people about jumping to conclusions, and accept that in war both sides often lie through their teeth, so we should be cautious of accepting as fact any reports referring to what the two warring parties say, but I don't believe that media reports are in any large degree deliberately or negligently nonsense.
 
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The scenes of mass graves.

While leaders mass debate.

The western leaders will go down in history as pathetic and weak while they stood by watching Russia murder thousands if not more destroying Ukraine and millions will suffer needlessly.

Stop this war. God damn it.
To me those are two contradictory statements. Beyond completely destroy the Russian economy and instantly put pretty much their entire population into poverty (a BIG deal and definitely not doing nothing) them being "strong" would surely not be stopping war but creating more of it?
 
Ghost of KIev, 40 mile long convoy of Russian military outside of Kiev, snake island sailors, gunfights in Kiev after Zelensky had given guns to civilians with gangs settlng scores or whatever when there were no Russian troops in Kiev along with lots of outlandish rubbish getting folks more emotional and jingoistic.

So much utter bollocks being spouted
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Well that MIG-29 deal for a start.

Look at how that took over the news for a couple of days and saw loads of politicians act up about it as if that would help Ukraine out massively (indeed several still are). This was despite anyone being able to read Wikipedia being able to find out that the planes are 30-35 years old, have an increasingly bad condition and would have been up against opponents that have more and better aircraft and a SAM net that is probably one of the best in the world. How the planes would actually get there was also never actually explained.
What else? I mean this is hardly something huge, are we talking skepticism regarding deaths, refugees, or the use of vacuum bombs by the Russians? Yes, there probably is misreporting, and propaganda also from the Ukrainian’s, difference is theirs is more to do with morale.
 
You know if Putin was going to use Nukes, would he have not done so by now?

Sanctions and arming Ukraine is surely enough to flip a so called psycho who is threatening the West into using them?

Like as if supplying Ukraine with some MiGs is crossing a line?
 
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