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Website of Russia's TASS news agency displays anti-Putin message after hack

MOSCOW — The website of Russian state news agency TASS was hacked on Monday, Reuters checks from several devices showed, with the regular site replaced with an anti…

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[Kev The Rat]

I think most people are aware of Ukraine as a country. It's pretty big to be honest, Kev.

It's more that most people in this country take a dim view on bully tactics by a large nation who use military force to invade a smaller neighbour.

I met a lot of Ukrainians in Lyon at Euro 2016, and they were great people, even after they lost.

where was the knowledge for the last 8 years of what was an ongoing conflict within its borders?

Ok so yeah, you could probably pick it out on a map.

 

[peteblue]

The west of the country is where Ukraine will have its armoured reserve forces, its air force units and its long range artillery. They are very much still in the fight.

It must be coming as a bit of a shock to Putin.….

 

[Lune1878]

Kev, your hero Putin is finished. It’s the beginning of the end for him. It’s telling that even Switzerland, so often taking the cowardly step of hiding behind neutrality, comes out and opposes Russian actions.

 

[ToffeeTim]

where was the knowledge for the last 8 years of what was an ongoing conflict within its borders?

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert, because I'm definitely not. But I wasn't completely oblivious to it all either, and was fully aware of the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Things escalated last week and people's opinions changed because that's natural. I don't want to see a european country getting invaded because their neighbour doesn't like their democratic government.

 

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Imagine being ignorant enough not to know Gogol and where he comes from

 

[bcblue1878]

Scholz has come out of this well in my eyes:

Bins Nord Stream 2 instantly.

Allocates an extra €100bn for the army.

Agrees to pay at least 2% GDP on defence.

Gets on board with banning them from the swift system despite an impact at home.

Can only imagine what the Germany’s reaction would have been with Merkel still in charge ?!

 

[Kev The Rat]

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert, because I'm definitely not. But I wasn't completely oblivious to it all either, and was fully aware of the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Things escalated last week and people's opinions changed because that's natural. I don't want to see a european country getting invaded because their neighbour doesn't like their democratic government.

But without the knowledge of the detail of the last 8 years, you risk missing what has actually led us up to this point.

And it is not just because 'the Russians dont like democracy' which is what you are implying.

 

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[Lowste]

Marvellous how ready people here are ready to take up arms for a country none of you even knew anything about until a couple of months ago.

History tells us this type of action is dangerous for the world we live in

So doesn’t really matter what country is being attacked, it matters we all are aware and show unity against this aggression

 

[Kev The Rat]

Imagine being ignorant enough not to know Gogol and where he comes from

Is that the Russian speaking Gogol?

Maybe you want to point me in the direction of his Ukranian language works, because I havent come accross them?

 

[ToffeeTim]

But without the knowledge of the detail of the last 8 years, you risk missing what has actually led us up to this point.

And it is not just because 'the Russians dont like democracy' which is what you are implying.

They may have some legitimate concerns (not getting into all that), but their response last week was completely disproporationate, unjustified, and lacking in humanity, in my opinion.

 

[Kev The Rat]

They may have some legitimate concerns (not getting into all that), but the response last week was completely disproporationate, unjustified, and lacking in humanity, in my opinion.

an 8 year war.

I'll leave it at that Tim.

 

[ToffeeTim]

an 8 year war.

I'll leave it at that Tim.

There is no justification for what they have done. And no justification for causing innocent civilians to have to flee or stay overnight in underground stations.

Even take a step back and think of the simple day to day things that cannot happen now. Kids can't go to school, the elderly can't get the care they need. It's extremely sad and cannot be justified.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Kev what are you on about. Cant imagine anyone here wants to be in the position Ukraine are in. I dont think i'd be as brave as those people staying but I suppose nobody knows what they would do in that situation.

Its obviously terrifying for people as if he takes Ukraine I personally dont think he would stop there so we would get involved eventually. There is no win here

Yeah appeasement doesn't work

Ukraine is just the beginning for Putin

The bravery not just of Ukrainians fighting back but of the people in Russia who have actually protested the war when they know the consequences is awe inspiring

I wouldn't have the minerals to do it myself in the same situation I think