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[davek]

I'm not surprised...

‘Everybody is tired. The mood has changed’: the Ukrainian army’s desertion crisis

Some of those abandoning the frontline say the longer the war goes on, ‘the more people like me there will be’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

More Ukrainian propoganda.

 

[davek]

The opposition to lowering the age of conscription to 18 will be the tipping point I think. There'll be young Ukrainian draft dodgers all over Europe and beyond when this happens. I can see the Ukrainians rebelling over it. A desperate move from a desperate clown in the president's office.

Ukraine is in the final stages of drafting recruitment reforms to attract 18- to 25-year-olds who are currently exempt from mobilisation, the battlefield commander recently appointed to the president’s office said. Col Pavlo Palisa said the current drafting system inherited from Soviet times was hindering progress. Though Ukraine has already passed a mobilisation law lowering the age of conscription from 27 to 25, the measures have not had the impact needed to replenish its ranks or replace battlefield losses in its war with Russia.
One initiative is what Palisa described as an “honest contract” that includes financial incentives, clear guarantees for training, and measures to ensure dialogue between soldiers and their commanders. The plan would also target Ukrainians who have the right to deferment or were discharged after the mobilisation law was passed. “As of now, my view is that we need to start an open dialogue with society,” Palisa said. “Because the defence of the state is not only the responsibility of the armed forces. It is the duty of every Ukrainian citizen, and it is their obligation.”

 

[Yarrgh]

The Romanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a Ukrainian propoganda account? Thats who the quote is from.

Most normal minded people are pro-Ukraine and against Putins facist imperialism. Your mask slipped some time back however.

Meh. My mask has slipped has it? Oh well nevermind, I guess I'll just keep on questioning things before swallowing them up. Enjoy your thread.

 

[Yarrgh]

The opposition to lowering the age of conscription to 18 will be the tipping point I think. There'll be young Ukrainian draft dodgers all over Europe and beyond when this happens. I can see the Ukrainians rebelling over it. A desperate move from a desperate clown in the president's office.

My guess is that this age group will not see combat and that they will be trained in preparation for the re-continuation of hostilities if any ceasefire or peace negotiations break down.

Given that scenario, they would likely leave Ukraine to avoid that possibility. Unless those negotiations are such that a safe and secure future could be guaranteed. And who in Ukraine would trust Russia to make them believe that it was a secure future?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Meh. My mask has slipped has it? Oh well nevermind, I guess I'll just keep on questioning things before swallowing them up. Enjoy your thread.

Question messaging from the Romanian government all you want but maybe leave all the other Russian spin, out.

 

[tsubaki]

Whisper it quietly, the tweet is from a Ukrainian information/ propaganda source aimed to promote support for Ukraine. They are in the middle of a war you know and information is part of that.

It is, but it’s widely reported that the politician did say that / something very much like it.

Anyone who leads or has ambition to lead any state located east of Austria and west of Russia, from the Baltic in the north to the Peloponnese in the south and who goes on about fake borders and countries is, I am sorry to say, an idiot of the leopards-ate-my-face kind.

 

[Yarrgh]

It is, but it’s widely reported that the politician did say that / something very much like it.

Anyone who leads or has ambition to lead any state located east of Austria and west of Russia, from the Baltic in the north to the Peloponnese in the south and who goes on about fake borders and countries is, I am sorry to say, an idiot of the leopards-ate-my-face kind.

Yes they are. Unfortunately we do seem to be in an age where leopards-ate-my-face politicians seem highly prevalent.

 

[davek]

My guess is that this age group will not see combat and that they will be trained in preparation for the re-continuation of hostilities if any ceasefire or peace negotiations break down.

Given that scenario, they would likely leave Ukraine to avoid that possibility. Unless those negotiations are such that a safe and secure future could be guaranteed. And who in Ukraine would trust Russia to make them believe that it was a secure future?

It's a step beyond the pale.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It is, but it’s widely reported that the politician did say that / something very much like it.

Anyone who leads or has ambition to lead any state located east of Austria and west of Russia, from the Baltic in the north to the Peloponnese in the south and who goes on about fake borders and countries is, I am sorry to say, an idiot of the leopards-ate-my-face kind.

Putin being both fuel and ignition for this at the present time.

 

[tsubaki]

Putin being both fuel and ignition for this at the present time.

Absolutely, though in his circumstances he (as separate from Russia itself) probably doesn’t think he has a choice.

Sorry for restating a point made before but looking at the historical context of Russia’s position in 2014 - which was essentially a worse version of that of the humiliation of Brest-Litovsk - really helps understand why they’ve done what they’ve done.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russian liberation.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Absolutely, though in his circumstances he (as separate from Russia itself) probably doesn’t think he has a choice.

Sorry for restating a point made before but looking at the historical context of Russia’s position in 2014 - which was essentially a worse version of that of the humiliation of Brest-Litovsk - really helps understand why they’ve done what they’ve done.

It is clear enough why Putin has done this, which has been admitted by the regime. It is the same old story.

US senator says Ukraine is 'gold mine' with $12 trillion of minerals 'we can't afford to lose' - Geopolitical Economy Report

Ukraine is "gold mine" with $12 trillion of minerals West "can't afford to lose": US Senator Lindsey Graham called to block Russia & China from resources

geopoliticaleconomy.com

 

[tsubaki]

It is clear enough why Putin has done this, which has been admitted by the regime. It is the same old story.

US senator says Ukraine is 'gold mine' with $12 trillion of minerals 'we can't afford to lose' - Geopolitical Economy Report

Ukraine is "gold mine" with $12 trillion of minerals West "can't afford to lose": US Senator Lindsey Graham called to block Russia & China from resources

geopoliticaleconomy.com

That’s a much more palatable argument for the regime to make than “We are weaker than we’ve ever been, despite all the money that’s flowed into the country. Oh and our closest ally would run a mile if their population ever got a free and meaningful choice, as would you lot”

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This was an inevitable outcome of throwing the labour force into Vlads meat grinder.