Turn back the clock....18 Months

[pejic]

Even at his worst, he took us two cup semi-finals

 

[RomanReigns]

since moshiri took over we:-

1. sold our best ever prem striker;
2. shunned a barca winger;
3. got rid of one of the best ball playing defenders in the country;
4. on the verge of losing our talismanic midfielder barkley for nothing

on the plus side we signed a 32 year old ageing wayne rooney with no legs

no wonder we are in a relegation battle

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

Don't forget how low we all felt after that 3-0 hammering at Sunderland the night before he got the boot. 99% of us were all utterly desperate for him to go in the end. I think as football fans it's easy to romanticise the past, I do it all the time and have been doing it again with Moyes. There's a bit of me that thinks we should have gone back to him and given him until the end of the season and a chance to rebuild his career (if we're going to end up with Big Sam or Pulis anyway, might as well have done that). But things were heading south under Martinez no doubt. However, talking to @Jim Keoghan for the pod the other week, Jim said that he spoke with Martinez for his book, Martinez was adamant that with another transfer window he would have been able to kick us on. I'm not too sure, but it was all ideology with 'Berto, the man could have kept his job if he'd have just changed slightly and made us a little bit harder to beat. Regardless, I liked him so much and wanted it to work. He's probably a little smug now because he's going to win the World Cup and we've gone the other way.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

I think our lack of intensity started with martinez second season. It has become instilled in us and koeman or unsworth cant change or remove it. Watching a team like huddersfield last night after us was watching 2 completely different levels of intensity. Their desire to win the ball back as a team , to stop crosses to win tackles makes us look like a bag of marshmallows.

But it started with martinez. Having our players stand 5 yards off the opponents.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

lollollol

Gotta love the revisionism. Martinez was taking us directly to where we are now.

At least we rolled the dice and tried something different.

I think you're overstating how bad it was

He had a limited squad yet we went toe to toe with everyone in the league. The defence needed to be overhauled completely but we were nowhere near as bad as we are now. If we'd have given him cash for a new defence we'd have been up there now.

 

[dannyboy]

I think you're overstating how bad it was

He had a limited squad yet we went toe to toe with everyone in the league. The defence needed to be overhauled completely but we were nowhere near as bad as we are now. If we'd have given him cash for a new defence we'd have been up there now.

We're bad now because we had a shocking transfer window this summer, selling our best player and replacing him with players who aren't up to standard. We were bad under Martinez because he completely disregarded the need to organise a defence.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Yes, if we kept him we would have already been relegated last year, thus freeing us of the pain we feel now as we would have already dealt with it. Good thinking...

 

[Toffee Carl]

We never should have sacked Martinez.

 

[billyblue80]

Maybe because we had better players
But Martinez wasn't using them well. The reason we are turd now is largely at the door of messers Walsh, Koeman, Mosh and Kenwright.

 

[MikeH72]

I wish we could go back to the good old days when we weren't going backwards oh ang on

 

[Thomasc]

I think you're overstating how bad it was

He had a limited squad yet we went toe to toe with everyone in the league. The defence needed to be overhauled completely but we were nowhere near as bad as we are now. If we'd have given him cash for a new defence we'd have been up there now.

We lost more home games in the league than ever before in his last season, you been on the venga bus lad? you are talking pap!

Toe to toe with Sunderland away - 3-0 defeat! lol

 

[nsno-chris]

Dis’ll be fun

 

[Thomasc]

I wish we could go back to the good old days when we weren't going backwards oh ang on

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Thread closer from Mikey there!

 

[R934]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fan-qa-roberto-martinez-11272823

Something I said a while ago after the United FA Cup Semi Final.

And in Martinez defence which is never given -but always mentioned with regards to Koeman- he called out numerous positions that needed strengthening and we let it slide again. The different between then and how we didn't have money that we are claim we do now.

 

[bicycleheader]

We never should have sacked Martinez.

I supported him until well into that 3rd season, but he had to go as he kept repeating the same mistakes AND he seemed to have lost the support of some of the players. There was no turning it around for him, so he had to go.

There is one thing we should never have done though, and that is hire Koeman.