Tonights Debate : Clinton v Trump
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Let's get more up to date, here. note to MODS - you'll need some philosophical backing for any claim this is off topic.
Boss_Blue
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Call that a gun?Let's get more up to date, here. note to MODS - you'll need some philosophical backing for any claim this is off topic.
Yorkie
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Call that a gun?
Gumballs, mate. Gumballs. My guy is hosing the street with pure fiery Temptations. cats can't say no.
Boss_Blue
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Yorkie
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LOL
No.
Boss_Blue
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Kiwi
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This is a phrase that's here to stay
Kiwi
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Yet another remarkable piece of wit thanks to the mighty muppet.
Oh for rep.
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Rook
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They are trying so hard to be in the tank for him that its glorious. Because if Trump loses, Fox news isn't exactly finished but will lose 1/2-2/3rds of their viewership once Trump goes on to start Undead Brietbart/Stormfront/Trump TV.
I get that Clinton is the face of a corrupt and broken system. I do. I understand that a large section of the American populace feels disillusionment towards our government. I do as well, although I put at least some of the blame on the underlying system itself. Our government is led by corporate interests and Hillary is in bed with those interests. Additionally, Clinton represents the status quo - the wealthy remain wealthy, while the rest of us continue our struggle. I very much dislike Clinton's connections with economic and military conservative movements (regardless of whether they portray themselves as conservative, large corporations are conservative movements by nature).
That said, I do not think the correct strategy is to elect someone that is completely out of his depth, racist, violent, and generally incompetent. It 'sends a message' while burning your house down. It's the very definition of Pyrrhic victory. Donald Trump is a populist that preys on the fear of the underclass, while remaining comfortably friendly with corporate interests and the wealthy. He blames the 'other' for our present problems. In this case, Mexicans, refugees, liberals, gangs, what-have-you. I do not believe the man is a Fascist. But he swings extremely close to that line.
Is our frustration with the system worth subjugating our deepest held beliefs?
I am by no means a 'patriot'. I question what nationality is (hint: imaginary). I am also enough of a student of history to realize that America has never been what it promised to be.
However, our strength has always come when we've actually embraced those original ideas (even if the populace didn't). This country has leapt forward every time that we have had a massive influx of immigrants. It has leapt forward every time the underclass has risen up in favor of progressivism (anti-monopoly/anti-trust, worker's rights, women's suffrage, civil rights). Every one of these has been painful at the time, but has benefited us in the long run.
Hillary Clinton is another politician - good points (women's rights, civil rights), and bad (corporate interests, secrecy, military record).
Donald Trump is a coup against reason and decency in favour of nationalism and prejudice. His election could very well be a catastrophically destabilizing act for the entire planet.
Anyone thinking that he's a good protest vote should rethink that strategy.
I'm still holding out hope that he's trolling us.
That said, I do not think the correct strategy is to elect someone that is completely out of his depth, racist, violent, and generally incompetent. It 'sends a message' while burning your house down. It's the very definition of Pyrrhic victory. Donald Trump is a populist that preys on the fear of the underclass, while remaining comfortably friendly with corporate interests and the wealthy. He blames the 'other' for our present problems. In this case, Mexicans, refugees, liberals, gangs, what-have-you. I do not believe the man is a Fascist. But he swings extremely close to that line.
Is our frustration with the system worth subjugating our deepest held beliefs?
I am by no means a 'patriot'. I question what nationality is (hint: imaginary). I am also enough of a student of history to realize that America has never been what it promised to be.
However, our strength has always come when we've actually embraced those original ideas (even if the populace didn't). This country has leapt forward every time that we have had a massive influx of immigrants. It has leapt forward every time the underclass has risen up in favor of progressivism (anti-monopoly/anti-trust, worker's rights, women's suffrage, civil rights). Every one of these has been painful at the time, but has benefited us in the long run.
Hillary Clinton is another politician - good points (women's rights, civil rights), and bad (corporate interests, secrecy, military record).
Donald Trump is a coup against reason and decency in favour of nationalism and prejudice. His election could very well be a catastrophically destabilizing act for the entire planet.
Anyone thinking that he's a good protest vote should rethink that strategy.
I'm still holding out hope that he's trolling us.
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