Today's football.

[Tubey]

ok mate

Moyes definitely is, Guardiola is limited in his approach. He's had sides with megastars in to win almost by default. Give him a side outside the very top and see what happens.

Take tonight as an example - he's needlessly hamstrung Lahm as he's obsessed with a possession game in the middle and thinks giving it to Robben over and over again will do the job.

Don't get me wrong, he does what He does well, but truly brilliant managers like Mourinho know how to mix it up to compensate for a circumstance in any given game. See lat night for an example.

 

[Allezfan]

It's not always easy to play free flowing boss football when the team you're up against is so negative.

As Everton fans we've seen that lots and lots of times this season.

No, we haven't.

Stoke and west ham tried to park the bus against us and how did that go for them?

 

[ijjysmith]

I didn't say it was, but they are the regular participants in crap games.

As I mention up there, it's not easy to play free flowing ace togger against opposition who are barely attacking at all.

Everton struggle with it too.

 

[bluestevon]

If this was a Allardyce team playing this way he'd be crucified by the media, how exactly this is any different i don't know, sit back 9 men behind the ball and throw 70y balls forward for Welbeck

 

[ijjysmith]

No, we haven't.

Stoke and west ham tried to park the bus against us and how did that go for them?

Well even in those it wasn't as easy as the scores suggest.

We've always broken through a few times. And I hope Bayern do here.

 

[Tubey]

It's not always easy to play free flowing boss football when the team you're up against is so negative.

As Everton fans we've seen that lots and lots of times this season.

So why don't they break at pace whenever United commit forward? The back pass to Dante once they have one man in their way is nauseating. They ahave no runners on the overlap ever.

 

[roydo]

As I mention up there, it's not easy to play free flowing ace togger against opposition who are barely attacking at all.

Everton struggle with it too.

Everyone does.

 

[toffee matt]

If this was a Allardyce team playing this way he'd be crucified by the media, how exactly this is any different i don't know, sit back 9 men behind the ball and throw 70y balls forward for Welbeck

Because allerdyce plays that way against hull at home not against the European champions

 

[bluemangroup]

As I mention up there, it's not easy to play free flowing ace togger against opposition who are barely attacking at all.

Everton struggle with it too.

There's a fairly substantial difference in quality of attacks though wouldn't you say? They were a much better team before Pep got there.

 

[ijjysmith]

 

[moosed]

has rooney ever run and terrorised opponents at united the way he did at everton or his early England career (example: THAT bolton game) ?

i swear he just stopped running at players once he went to united, players used to bounce off him

 

[Allezfan]

If this was a Allardyce team playing this way he'd be crucified by the media, how exactly this is any different i don't know, sit back 9 men behind the ball and throw 70y balls forward for Welbeck

Allardyce and Moyes have always been two sides of the same coin.

Efficient on a budget, but inflexible, unlikeable, bad at big games and produce terrible football.

But, it should be showed up against competent teams. It was to mourinho's discredit that they couldn't cope with it when he played big sams west ham and it's to guardiola's discredit that he's struggling here.

Good teams should have no problem with basic tactics like this. There's a reason Pulis, Allardyce, Moyes and their ilk have no trophies between them and Martinez won one with a much worse team.

If those tactics are effective against you, you've failed as a manager,

 

[bluestevon]

Moyes definitely is, Guardiola is limited in his approach. He's had sides with megastars in to win almost by default. Give him a side outside the very top and see what happens.

Take tonight as an example - he's needlessly hamstrung Lahm as he's obsessed with a possession game in the middle and thinks giving it to Robben over and over again will do the job.

Don't get me wrong, he does what He does well, but truly brilliant managers like Mourinho know how to mix it up to compensate for a circumstance in any given game. See lat night for an example.

Thing is mate how did Mourinho compensate vs a palace team that did exactly what united are trying to do tonight?

 

[Walken]

vidic could be out with a strained bollock here

 

[ijjysmith]

Important to remember that Courtois is ON LOAN.